Trump's SCOTUS

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Re: Trump's SCOTUS

Post by Xenophon » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:51 am

Jack Strickland on C-Span, talking about Ginsburg

https://streamable.com/n5cetk

Incredibly funny.

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Re: Trump's SCOTUS

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:52 am

apeman wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:33 am
Xenophon wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:20 am
The thing about being the principled centrist in the room is that you are going to get caught in the crossfire. Zlaxer was 100% correct.

Can anyone honestly say that rational political discourse is even possible at this point? Who do you think started this nonsense? Obama spent 8 years laying the seeds for racial tension, when prior to 2008 society had been taking real steps toward addressing racism, not by placating the Joggers, but by encouraging a racial outlook that doesn't focus on the individual's race as an explanation for their behavior. Remember, the Rev. Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton were seen as race-hucksters by most normies, the left included.

Problem is, that inherently favors the conservative mindset because it focuses on the individual having some sort of agency and responsibility for their lot in life. The democrats couldn't have that, and so pandered hard to their base (i.e. minorities and liberals) to the point where these groups could effectively avoid ALL responsibility and blame everything on whitey, and society gave them a positive reinforcement every time they did it. This has evolved toward anti-white rhetoric in every strata of society, and increasing persecution against whites. Ask anyone who has ever had to sit through an HR presentation.

The Left has opened Pandora's Box. You cannot have a rational discussion with someone who doesn't have an ideological foundation consisting of rationality. To do so is not only vain, but self-defeating. The Left doesn't act in good faith when considering their opponent's opinions, they simply have them destroyed. The Conservative Right are the only one's bloviating about "muh principles", and that is exactly why they are unable to consolidate their victories. If your principles end up allowing your interests to constantly be defeated because you're holding back, they aren't worth having.

We can have polite society again when we get rid of the snakes that infiltrate every corner of it. Until then, doing anything but going on the offensive is going to let the snakes sneak up on you.
It hurts, but Xeno is right

It is important to be fair and principled in life, but what about when you are forced into a game with a counter-party who refuses to be fair and principled? You lose, forever.

How do you cooperate with a counter-party who believes in the following: I beg for mercy when you are stronger because that is according to YOUR principles, I give no mercy when I am stronger because that is according to MY principles.
It is at least conceivable that principles and fairness are inherently strengths rather than weaknesses, so the fair and principled have the advantage over the unprincipled and cynical.
HAIL!

Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
-Hwen

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Re: Trump's SCOTUS

Post by Zlaxer » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:58 am

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:51 am
Zlaxer wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:34 am
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:28 am
There is no collapse. All life is a constant and endless struggle against entropy, with adaptation being the only reliable "trick."

Bunch of wallowing cynics that can't handle adversity, the lot of you.


Overcoming adversity with grit and hard work is a tennant of white privilege. Fuck Yo privilege.
Hardly. A lot of, if not most, adversity is overcome by dumb luck - which is available to everybody.

No - BLM says luck not apportioned fairly. BLM also says hard work and being on time are tenants of white privilege. These are the reasons POCs can’t get a head - and it’s whitie’s fault. Fuck - spelling is based in white privileged. Get with the program comrade.

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Re: Trump's SCOTUS

Post by Xenophon » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:00 am

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:52 am
apeman wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:33 am
Xenophon wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:20 am
The thing about being the principled centrist in the room is that you are going to get caught in the crossfire. Zlaxer was 100% correct.

Can anyone honestly say that rational political discourse is even possible at this point? Who do you think started this nonsense? Obama spent 8 years laying the seeds for racial tension, when prior to 2008 society had been taking real steps toward addressing racism, not by placating the Joggers, but by encouraging a racial outlook that doesn't focus on the individual's race as an explanation for their behavior. Remember, the Rev. Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton were seen as race-hucksters by most normies, the left included.

Problem is, that inherently favors the conservative mindset because it focuses on the individual having some sort of agency and responsibility for their lot in life. The democrats couldn't have that, and so pandered hard to their base (i.e. minorities and liberals) to the point where these groups could effectively avoid ALL responsibility and blame everything on whitey, and society gave them a positive reinforcement every time they did it. This has evolved toward anti-white rhetoric in every strata of society, and increasing persecution against whites. Ask anyone who has ever had to sit through an HR presentation.

The Left has opened Pandora's Box. You cannot have a rational discussion with someone who doesn't have an ideological foundation consisting of rationality. To do so is not only vain, but self-defeating. The Left doesn't act in good faith when considering their opponent's opinions, they simply have them destroyed. The Conservative Right are the only one's bloviating about "muh principles", and that is exactly why they are unable to consolidate their victories. If your principles end up allowing your interests to constantly be defeated because you're holding back, they aren't worth having.

We can have polite society again when we get rid of the snakes that infiltrate every corner of it. Until then, doing anything but going on the offensive is going to let the snakes sneak up on you.
It hurts, but Xeno is right

It is important to be fair and principled in life, but what about when you are forced into a game with a counter-party who refuses to be fair and principled? You lose, forever.

How do you cooperate with a counter-party who believes in the following: I beg for mercy when you are stronger because that is according to YOUR principles, I give no mercy when I am stronger because that is according to MY principles.
It is at least conceivable that principles and fairness are inherently strengths rather than weaknesses, so the fair and principled have the advantage over the unprincipled and cynical.
Video proof that principles and fairness aren't strengths:
Man stomped and stoned for trying to defend a bar from being looted

https://streamable.com/xkcvkk

Destroying store and beating unarmed woman and her husband

https://streamable.com/rvrwil

Beating and stomping guy on the ground Santa Monica

https://streamable.com/x6ue5x

Restaurant manager beaten and stomped for trying to defend his workplace

https://streamable.com/ila4dh

Stopping, beating and stomping a truck driver while protesters yell to kill him

https://streamable.com/8zk9dq

Protesters attack a media member and then pummel him

https://streamable.com/p4i3jb

Chasing guy and kicking him in the face for defending flag in Portland

https://streamable.com/ky6jyh

Police officer beaten on the streets

https://streamable.com/je4ki5

Car runs over a cop

https://streamable.com/q4nat7

Protesters set homeless man’s belongings on fire

https://streamable.com/sdjvfa

Throwing fireworks at the cops

https://streamable.com/7sv4a9

Looting a FedEx truck then looter gets dragged when truck tries to escape

https://streamable.com/n1azx3

Chasing and beating guy with red had

https://streamable.com/rcsmi0

Rioter sets himself on fire while trying to set a building on fire

https://streamable.com/w5wa8l

Fireworks thrown into CNN hq / Police officers

https://streamable.com/7dw6g7

Protester runs over the cops with an SUV

https://streamable.com/ttijvn

Destroying/looting/setting on fire Old Navy

https://streamable.com/oceqqg

Guardhouse in front of WH set on fire

https://streamable.com/vfopia

Dozens of cars destroyed/torched near CNN hq – Atlanta

https://streamable.com/ubjohz

St Louis neighborhood on fire

https://streamable.com/8lnd7v

Building on fire while self-proclaimed Mexicans say fuck white people

https://streamable.com/yvkek4

Destroying police SUV

https://streamable.com/2b7fic

Near a torched car audio speakers propaganda that all crime is legal

https://streamable.com/t76kdn

Destroying/looting bank in Montreal

https://streamable.com/3hwkx2

Pharmacy destroyed/looted in Dallas

https://streamable.com/fl7e5z

The remains of whole neighborhood destroyed

https://streamable.com/dtptr1

Destroying stores – Dallas

https://streamable.com/hn1qng

Destroying police SUV – Austin

https://streamable.com/v8zk1e

Police SUV torched LA

https://streamable.com/61mdlo

Looting target/beating disabled person in Minneapolis

https://streamable.com/oyjgbk

Future apartment building destroyed with fire in Minneapolis

https://streamable.com/dxmc0w

Looting pharmacy – Minneapolis

https://streamable.com/53nl1p

Destroying business in Minneapolis

https://streamable.com/5lm779

More businesses on fire in Minneapolis

https://streamable.com/f1zcmy

Ransacked Target Minneapolis

https://streamable.com/b3u92p

Building burning in neighborhood Minneapolis

https://streamable.com/vh5nyu

Boy drove car into a store

https://streamable.com/nrm2pn

Post office looted/destroyed

https://streamable.com/v4vflf

Minneapolis third police precinct set on fire

https://streamable.com/o27w75

More buildings on fire Minneapolis

https://streamable.com/8au2lf

Autoparts Store getting destroyed/looted

https://streamable.com/dum1r8

Autozone on fire

https://streamable.com/vq9hrp

Looting in Minneapolis

https://streamable.com/jfor5g

Adults loot with their children

https://streamable.com/m4cr5j

Cars torched – Minneapolis

https://streamable.com/mmk9gr

Looting an ATM in Minneapolis

https://streamable.com/ht2oxv

Remains of destroyed/looted Cub Foods

https://streamable.com/qhzlm7

Business and stores on fire in Minneapolis

https://streamable.com/jcpdvv

Brenda Lenton’s home and belongings destroyed by a fire – Minneapolis

https://streamable.com/3s9l17

Aftermath of whole neighborhood being set on fire in Minneapolis

https://streamable.com/eat2c0

Nashville city hall set on fire while rioters cheer

https://streamable.com/b3y0ep

Fox reporters chased out with projectiles thrown at them near White House

https://streamable.com/1qzyua

Attacking drivers Tulsa, Okla

https://streamable.com/ixpxh9

Setting St. John’s Church on fire

https://streamable.com/u3y4ch

Destroying/looting stores Montreal

https://streamable.com/92h4rr

Destroying/looting store in Downtown Oakland

https://streamable.com/y9s4x9

Bar destroyed/Trying to loot a safe

https://streamable.com/yzprm5

Stolen Bulldozer in Oakland

https://streamable.com/lhf5ze

Two police SUVs torched in Seattle

https://streamable.com/eketpr

Multiple cars torched in Philadelphia

https://streamable.com/13784m

Ohio Statehouse being destroyed

https://streamable.com/k13b3l

Trying to breach Justice Center/central police precinct Portland

https://streamable.com/avcfq0

Destroying/Looting Justice Center Portland

https://streamable.com/1j6fof

Looting small business in Portland

https://streamable.com/bfs08c

Destroying/looting small business Portland

https://streamable.com/adfxxt

Looting Louis Vuitton store

https://streamable.com/f4ysu9

Driving stolen cars into stores – Portland

https://streamable.com/o1w92j

Destroying Chase Bank – Portland

https://streamable.com/o1wtom

Setting Chase Bank on fire – Portland

https://streamable.com/nanakz

Destroying/Looting Apple Store – Portland

https://streamable.com/2wncgk

Looting in St. Paul

https://streamable.com/6fouwt

Looting Shoe Store

https://streamable.com/60v3xh

Looting apple store

https://streamable.com/1wzq39

Looting North Face store – NYC

https://streamable.com/ux7djn

Nike Store being looted – NYC

https://streamable.com/6sdcb3

Looting in Union Square – NYC

https://streamable.com/jiz3zd

Looting T-mobile store

https://streamable.com/ag5kwc

Shop owner saves store from looters with a firearm

https://streamable.com/5oj1jl

Business owner defends his store from looters with a firearm

https://streamable.com/pmdjkb

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Re: Trump's SCOTUS

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:03 am

Zlaxer wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:58 am
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:51 am
Zlaxer wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:34 am




Overcoming adversity with grit and hard work is a tennant of white privilege. Fuck Yo privilege.
Hardly. A lot of, if not most, adversity is overcome by dumb luck - which is available to everybody.

No - BLM says luck not apportioned fairly. BLM also says hard work and being on time are tenants of white privilege. These are the reasons POCs can’t get a head - and it’s whitie’s fault. Fuck - spelling is based in white privileged. Get with the program comrade.
I'm white as the pure driven snow, and have never been able to spell.

Anyway, BLM is right - luck isn't fair. That is kind of why we call it luck.
HAIL!

Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
-Hwen

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Re: Trump's SCOTUS

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:05 am

Xenophon wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:00 am


Video proof that principles and fairness aren't strengths:

Bad shit happens, ergo principles are weaknesses

QED?
HAIL!

Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
-Hwen

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Re: Trump's SCOTUS

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:14 am

I believe a man’s gotta have a code but you’re making principles sounds a lot like morals? The only principle is liberty, and all other decisions flow from there. If you want, I’ll make those decisions for you?
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Re: Trump's SCOTUS

Post by apeman » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:16 am

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:05 am
Xenophon wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:00 am


Video proof that principles and fairness aren't strengths:

Bad shit happens, ergo principles are weaknesses

QED?
How does a good-faith party being forced to interact with a bad-faith party work out?

To make it concrete, how do you compromise of SCOTUS seats after Kavanaugh?

Oh, nevermind, Kavanaugh was just some "bad shit happens", let's strike a handshake deal with the people who called him a gang rapist

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Re: Trump's SCOTUS

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:17 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:14 am
I believe a man’s gotta have a code but you’re making principles sounds a lot like morals? The only principle is liberty, and all other decisions flow from there. If you want, I’ll make those decisions for you?
That's a good principle.

I am not sure what the moral/principle distinction is in your lexicon, though, since morality is typically defined as principles for determining right from wrong.
HAIL!

Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
-Hwen

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Re: Trump's SCOTUS

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:24 am

apeman wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:16 am
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:05 am
Xenophon wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:00 am


Video proof that principles and fairness aren't strengths:

Bad shit happens, ergo principles are weaknesses

QED?
How does a good-faith party being forced to interact with a bad-faith party work out?

To make it concrete, how do you compromise of SCOTUS seats after Kavanaugh?

Oh, nevermind, Kavanaugh was just some "bad shit happens", let's strike a handshake deal with the people who called him a gang rapist
I don't really see the conflict here. I think Trump should make a nomination and the Senate should advise and vote. Conservatives got a lucky roll and 3 SCOTUS picks. Dems were shitty about it, but they believed they were doing their fiduciary duty to their constituents by being as shitty as possible. It was ugly, but I am not sure it was 'bad-faith.'

To echo C-Mag, my hope is that more constitutionalists on the bench will mean less legislation from the bench, and (eventually) less political SCOTUS nominations - but there are going to be some ugly fights.
HAIL!

Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
-Hwen