Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[BjornP]

So you admit that 68% of those polled don't want a no-deal Brexit.
What's your point?

Also, ''a poll conducted for the Daily Telegraph''.
Maybe you are not aware that Boris Johnson wrote a column for the ''Torygraph'' until he was made PM.
Talk about bovine excrement...

No, since that's not what the data says, that's not something I'd say. You're lying and manipulating now.

Only 32% voted in favour of no-deal in your poll conducted for a pro-Brexit Newspaper.
Like most polls it is worthless.

68% do not support a second referendum.

68% do not support revoking the application to leave the EU.

Anyone would prefer an orderly exit from the EU, with a deal ready. But if you can't get that, that doesn't mean that your "will of the people" oppose leaving without one, if the choice is that or staying. You already voted leave.

You're creating a 68% having an opinion that isn't documented anywhere.

[The Conservative]

Voting for a lie is not democracy.

God, what a moronic thing to say. Take responsibility for your vote or don’t vote at all. If you vote from a position of ignorance, the outcome of the vote isn’t invalidated.

There is a massive difference between ignorance and deliberate misinformation.
Besides which, no one voted for a no-deal Brexit. We were told that we would leave with a better deal than we currently have. This has been shown to be completely untrue. All bets are off.

Sometimes No-Deal is better than staying.

[The Conservative]

So you admit that 68% of those polled don't want a no-deal Brexit.
What's your point?

Also, ''a poll conducted for the Daily Telegraph''.
Maybe you are not aware that Boris Johnson wrote a column for the ''Torygraph'' until he was made PM.
Talk about bovine excrement...

No, since that's not what the data says, that's not something I'd say. You're lying and manipulating now.

Only 32% voted in favour of no-deal in your poll conducted for a pro-Brexit Newspaper.
Like most polls it is worthless.

In English "Any poll I don't agree with is worthless."

[Montegriffo]

68% do not support a second referendum.

68% do not support revoking the application to leave the EU.

I never said they did.

I said 68% don't want a no-deal Brexit.

Since when did you start straw-manning Bjorn?

Two thirds would prefer the alternatives even in your poll conducted for the pro-Brexit Telegraph.

That means that there is no majority for crashing out in either Parliament or the public as I originally stated.

[C-Mag]

Win at all costs and fuck the truth.
Your version of democracy sucks.

Just a reminder,

NO ONE VOTED FOR A NO DEAL BREXIT

What stipulations were put into the BREXIT Vote ?
I thought the vote was just for a BREXIT.

[C-Mag]

Funny you should say that.
Old one ball suspended the German Parliament and parallels are being drawn...

Not that a new government temporarily suspending Parliament is unconstitutional. It's perfectly normal for this to happen but what is clearly fuckery is the timing. The plan is to stop Parliament from passing a law to make a no-deal Brexit illegal by leaving only a week before the October 31st deadline to leave the EU.
It is a risky strategy though as it almost guarantees a vote of no confidence and a general election which is most likely to remove the Conservative party from power and instal Comrade Corbyn as supreme leader.
A Labour government or more likely a coalition government of Labour, Scottish Nationals, Liberal Democrats and the Greens will result in a second referendum.
This may well turn out to be a case of Boris shooting himself in the foot.

Not even the same as lil Adolph. Hitler suspended constitutional protections. Then the German parliament passed the Enabling Act later. It's a poor analogy when you compare it to Hitler and then you go on to say what Boris did is normal for the British government.

Prorogation is normal. What isn't normal is the length of time Parliament will be suspended (5 weeks rather than the usual 1 week) and its timing so close before such an important decision ie the deadline to leave the EU.
Smacks of a dictatorship trying to subvert Parliament.

Do you fear Boris is going to remove all Civil Liberties in the UK ? or that Boris will use police and or military to remove his political enemies ?

[BjornP]

68% do not support a second referendum.

68% do not support revoking the application to leave the EU.

I never said they did.

I said 68% don't want a no-deal Brexit.

Since when did you start straw-manning Bjorn?

Two thirds would prefer the alternatives even in your poll conducted for the pro-Brexit Telegraph.

That means that there is no majority for crashing out in either Parliament or the public as I originally stated.

To me it seems you keep delegitimizing the Brexit referendum result. I read your point about 68% as an example of that. That half of the people would rather a negotiated exit, doesn't mean they will refuse the idea of No deal. Having a preference for one thing, doesn't mean one wouldn't accept the alternative.

The vote was for Leave. Both no deal or deal is leave. You're getting the people's will. It is irrelevant even if

[Montegriffo]

Win at all costs and fuck the truth.
Your version of democracy sucks.

Just a reminder,

NO ONE VOTED FOR A NO DEAL BREXIT

What stipulations were put into the BREXIT Vote ?
I thought the vote was just for a BREXIT.

It wasn't strictly a vote. It was advisory and intended to inform Parliament on how the public felt about leaving the EU.
All it really proved is that the country was split down the middle.
It had no power to enforce a Brexit and no clear mandate.
No deal was not on the ballot and bypassing Parliament in order to achieve it is fuckery on a grand scale.
It's what you would call a deep state coup attempt if it was happening over there.

[C-Mag]

Win at all costs and fuck the truth.
Your version of democracy sucks.

Just a reminder,

NO ONE VOTED FOR A NO DEAL BREXIT

What stipulations were put into the BREXIT Vote ?
I thought the vote was just for a BREXIT.

It wasn't strictly a vote. It was advisory and intended to inform Parliament on how the public felt about leaving the EU.
All it really proved is that the country was split down the middle.
It had no power to enforce a Brexit and no clear mandate.
No deal was not on the ballot and bypassing Parliament in order to achieve it is fuckery on a grand scale.
It's what you would call a deep state coup attempt if it was happening over there.

So, there was language in the vote that specifically stated that if you vote for BREXIT, it will be a negotiated exit from the EU.

Is that your case.

[Montegriffo]

Not even the same as lil Adolph. Hitler suspended constitutional protections. Then the German parliament passed the Enabling Act later. It's a poor analogy when you compare it to Hitler and then you go on to say what Boris did is normal for the British government.

Prorogation is normal. What isn't normal is the length of time Parliament will be suspended (5 weeks rather than the usual 1 week) and its timing so close before such an important decision ie the deadline to leave the EU.
Smacks of a dictatorship trying to subvert Parliament.

Do you fear Boris is going to remove all Civil Liberties in the UK ? or that Boris will use police and or military to remove his political enemies ?

No. I fear he is suspending Parliament to get a no-deal Brexit without a mandate that will seriously damage the economy.
His motivation appears to be securing power for himself by removing the need for the Brexit party led by Farage which would split the vote on the right and result in a Labour victory (or coalition between the Greens, Libs, SNP and Labour).
This is the same motivation that Cameron had for calling the referendum in the first place as UKIP was taking around 15% of the right-wing vote.
It has been political fuckery from day one and all talk of ''sovereignty'' is hogwash.
That's what I think anyway. Since you asked.