Urban vs. Rural; What's to be done?

[brewster]

What makes you think cities are necessary for technological development?

All available evidence. Make your case with evidence. And please don't move the goalposts by defining cities upward, historically even 10k people was a sizable city.

Bullshit the US Census Bureau classifies urban as 50,000 people. Don't move the goal posts.

Not exactly. They clearly define Rural as less than 2500. So you want to claim "Urban Cluster" as rural, but they disagree.

https://www.census.gov/geo/reference/ua/uafaq.html

The Census Bureau's urban-rural classification is fundamentally a delineation of geographical areas, identifying both individual urban areas and the rural areas of the nation. The Census Bureau's urban areas represent densely developed territory, and encompass residential, commercial, and other non-residential urban land uses. For the 2010 Census, an urban area will comprise a densely settled core of census tracts and/or census blocks that meet minimum population density requirements, along with adjacent territory containing non-residential urban land uses as well as territory with low population density included to link outlying densely settled territory with the densely settled core. To qualify as an urban area, the territory identified according to criteria must encompass at least 2,500 people, at least 1,500 of which reside outside institutional group quarters.

The Census Bureau identifies two types of urban areas:

Urbanized Areas (UAs) of 50,000 or more people;
Urban Clusters (UCs) of at least 2,500 and less than 50,000 people.
"Rural" encompasses all population, housing, and territory not included within an urban area.

[C-Mag]

Both sides do something similar, as in, how many rural folk believe that urban folks have no morals?

People will seize on any difference, just in order to differentiate themselves, when in reality people aren't usually that different.

Basically true, but there are some key differences with rural vs urban regardless of culture.

What I pick up on, and am lashing back against aggressively is media and entertainment representations of rural people, and the cheap shots they take constantly. Once you get intuned to it, you see it constantly.

[clubgop]

It's still a possible solution to the Virtual Civil War. Many people in rural areas would gladly give up money for local control. At least it should be made one of the options.

There's lots of rural places where vast numbers of people are on public assistance of some sort like disability or SSI, which of them are state based besides Medicaid? Who's going to pay for paving their roads? It's well known that paving low density areas is extremely economically inefficient.

Evoking Welfare cases is not a way to convince rural people. If the transfer of money the city folks are talking about is for Welfare, I'm pretty sure rural folk would say, "good riddance!"

p.s. I pretty sure "paving" is also not something the 4X4 crowd care much about.

They could also do it on the cheap. No union rules, or government contract corruption.

[jediuser598]

Both sides do something similar, as in, how many rural folk believe that urban folks have no morals?

People will seize on any difference, just in order to differentiate themselves, when in reality people aren't usually that different.

Basically true, but there are some key differences with rural vs urban regardless of culture.

What I pick up on, and am lashing back against aggressively is media and entertainment representations of rural people, and the cheap shots they take constantly. Once you get intuned to it, you see it constantly.

The shots are mutual. Both sides are firing at each other.

You can't ignore one guy throwing punches, when they are both throwing punches. I love when I meet some new liberal friend, and inform them that my roommate's are Republicans. They always ask me if they're racists. I tell them that I always ask the one that is a Jew to do a better job of running the world, and he said he'd work on it. The other one is non-white and we all know that non-whites are bad at racism, so probably not.

People look at me weird.

[clubgop]

the whole 'impugning rural people' thing is kinda funny when you think about it. Half of NYC is from elsewhere in the country.

So if they have things to say, they know from where they speak. I don't think anyone has anything bad to say about rural people just because they're rural. It's only when they have reactionary, uneducated, undemocratic and prejudiced views. There are plenty of rural people that do not, but they do not attract attention to themselves. There's nothing wrong with being uneducated (wherever you live), but ignorance allows them to be cynically manipulated. If someone can't tell you whether the sun goes around the earth or vice versa, and in how long, how can you expect them to have informed and reasoned views on the incredibly complex financial, social and political issues our country faces?

The notion that "cities steal grain from the countryside" is simply idiotic. Civilization is built on trade and specialization. Modern farmers couldn't make a 19th century state of the art plow, never mind a combine. Confiscation of food, whether in 1930's Ukraine or 1840's Ireland is a failure not a feature. All I hear is criticism of modern civilization without actual suggestion of an alternative other than subsistence farming for all. As Jedi said, medicine is nice. How many farming families bibles had a page saying "Ma up and died".

Please...……… You're own comments are dripping with arrogance, condescendence, and contempt for rural people. Urban people pick out stereotypes and carry them forward just like you are right now in the immediate post above. All the while snotty urbanites look the other way at the uneducated non productive masses that make up a huge portion of their cities. Test results show Rural youth outpacing urban youth significantly. https://nces.ed.gov/pubs/96184all.pdf

Urban people act like everyone in cities are highly educated, cultured and well spoken. That's simply mythology.

That's a key point. They make fun of rural people not ever leaving 50 miles outside of where they were born (even though 50 miles is a minimum just to get to market), not having any culture all that stuff. Go to a ghetto in a city. Many of them haven't been 10 miles outside of a city and if they have it is in transit from large Urban center to Urban center. I live in PA, outside of Philly, Pittsburgh and smaller cities, farmland lots and lots of farmland. Yet many of the city people have no idea about deer, seen a black bear, horses, goats, all that stuff. If it is not on tv, they know don't anything about it.

[PartyOf5]

The shots are mutual. Both sides are firing at each other.

In media? No. Media is controlled almost exclusively by liberals, who each week get more and more blatant in their shots at rural populations and conservatives. The "news", movies, television, even comic books have taken a hard left turn.

Media as a whole is a 90,000 seat stadium full of raging Liberals. Conservatives make up a couple of hot dog vendors trying to get their voices heard.

[clubgop]

The shots are mutual. Both sides are firing at each other.

In media? No. Media is controlled almost exclusively by liberals, who each week get more and more blatant in their shots at rural populations and conservatives. The "news", movies, television, even comic books have taken a hard left turn.

Media as a whole is a 90,000 seat stadium full of raging Liberals. Conservatives make up a couple of hot dog vendors trying to get their voices heard.

Are there is the bubbles. They say Rural people live in a bubble, but all they have to do is consume any media and boom bubble burst. It is the Urban libs that live in the bubble.

[C-Mag]

Brewster, that's weak sauce. Try again. Urban Clusters. You went from a SWAG of 10K, to trying to hold your argument together with Urban Clusters. I'm sure all you Metropolitan elites that drive through a town with 2500 people going from NYC to Pittsburgh and you immediately think, Wow look at this Urban area.

I'm glad we got on this subject actually. Plato even recognized that there was a limit to population density where people changed. He put the cap at 10k, I'd have to look up what he said, but basically social bonds break down, people become drones, when towns get over 10k.

Wiki lists 383 American Metropolitan areas above 50k population, which works for me, though when I think of cities, and throwing shade on urban areas I'm really thinking of metro areas of 250k to 500k or more.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... ical_areas

[C-Mag]

Media as a whole is a 90,000 seat stadium full of raging Liberals. Conservatives make up a couple of hot dog vendors trying to get their voices heard.

I like that

[C-Mag]

The shots are mutual. Both sides are firing at each other.

You can't ignore one guy throwing punches, when they are both throwing punches. I love when I meet some new liberal friend, and inform them that my roommate's are Republicans. They always ask me if they're racists. I tell them that I always ask the one that is a Jew to do a better job of running the world, and he said he'd work on it. The other one is non-white and we all know that non-whites are bad at racism, so probably not.

People look at me weird.

Good Stuff. Sound like you have healthy relationships with those people.................. you will be reported to Hate Speech Police