Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:38 am

Xenophon wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:35 am
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Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:33 am
Xenophon wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:29 am

He also wasn't afraid to go out in front of them to inspire them. I mean, I'm sure they were afraid he'd have them all crucified if they didn't help him and he somehow survived, but still.
They weren't using Greek tactics by the first century, Alexander went in front, Caesar never did

The front at this point was like a well oiled machine with Legios operating in ranks, meatgrinder

Most Praetors hung way back in the Praetorium,

Ceasar got as close as a General could, which was right behind the well oiled machine
Makes sense. But I'm still not following on why a modern Caesar would be any worse than what we have now. I mean, we have kids who patrol the same stretch of desert as their fathers. That's not exactly keeping us away from foreign wars.
I didn't say worse, I said careful what you wish for
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Xenophon » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:40 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:38 am
Xenophon wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:35 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:33 am


They weren't using Greek tactics by the first century, Alexander went in front, Caesar never did

The front at this point was like a well oiled machine with Legios operating in ranks, meatgrinder

Most Praetors hung way back in the Praetorium,

Ceasar got as close as a General could, which was right behind the well oiled machine
Makes sense. But I'm still not following on why a modern Caesar would be any worse than what we have now. I mean, we have kids who patrol the same stretch of desert as their fathers. That's not exactly keeping us away from foreign wars.
I didn't say worse, I said careful what you wish for
I don't know that I wish for it. I just haven't seen a compelling argument that shows that it would be a bad thing, for a time. The thing with the idea of a Caesar that I do like is that I would prefer to be outright told "Hey, I'm the boss, suck it up, rube." rather than have a bunch of whiny, effeminate talking heads pissing on my leg and telling me it's rain.

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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:41 am

Xenophon wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:40 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:38 am
Xenophon wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:35 am

Makes sense. But I'm still not following on why a modern Caesar would be any worse than what we have now. I mean, we have kids who patrol the same stretch of desert as their fathers. That's not exactly keeping us away from foreign wars.
I didn't say worse, I said careful what you wish for
I don't know that I wish for it. I just haven't seen a compelling argument that shows that it would be a bad thing, for a time. The thing with the idea of a Caesar that I do like is that I would prefer to be outright told "Hey, I'm the boss, suck it up, rube." rather than have a bunch of whiny, effeminate talking heads pissing on my leg and telling me it's rain.
Just saying, Caesar is not the Roman Savior, Caesar is Hitler

The Roman Savior was Cincinnatus
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by StCapps » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:42 am

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:37 am
StCapps wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:22 am
It's okay to not like Trump, it's when you do so for the most idiotic reasons possible that you move into Trump Derangement.
Which are the acceptable reasons to dislike Trump? Do enlighten.
Gun Grabber, Drug Warrior and Economic Nationalist are good angles of attack. Attacking his personality, the way he talks or the way he tweets, is obvious weak sauce
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Xenophon » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:45 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:41 am
Xenophon wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:40 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:38 am


I didn't say worse, I said careful what you wish for
I don't know that I wish for it. I just haven't seen a compelling argument that shows that it would be a bad thing, for a time. The thing with the idea of a Caesar that I do like is that I would prefer to be outright told "Hey, I'm the boss, suck it up, rube." rather than have a bunch of whiny, effeminate talking heads pissing on my leg and telling me it's rain.
Just saying, Caesar is not the Roman Savior, Caesar is Hitler

The Roman Savior was Cincinnatus
Anyone who could be compared to Cincinnatus wants no part of the levers of power, and the people currently holding those levers aren't interested in giving them up for any reason.

Honestly, there's no good answer on where to go from here, politically.

We'd probably need a series of serious crises before anything like Caesar has any chance of materializing.

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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:46 am

The solution is quite simple

America is a Religion

Holy Warriors

They need an external enemy to unite against, to stave off internecine warfare

Cold War is optimal
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:49 am

What's the problem with the GWOT ?

Hot War, sub optimal

The American Religion is a Space Program

Bypass the tactical level altogether, do not climb Hill 937 at Dong Ap Bia

Never get out of the boat unless that boat has arrived at the Sea of Tranquility

Mahanian Eternal Seapower to the Stars

Per Ardua Ad Astra
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:56 am

Now the Black Swan is here

Temporary external threat

Good training

The National Command Authority does not protect me, I protect them, by giving them freedom of action

Well Regulated Militia, stand to, stand to

Every man a Cincinnatus
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Xenophon » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:58 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:56 am
Now the Black Swan is here

Temporary external threat

Good training

The National Command Authority does not protect me, I protect them, by giving them freedom of action

Well Regulated Militia, stand to, stand to

Every man a Cincinnatus
Which would be fine except the population despises half of the National Command Authority at any given time, while the National Command Authority fights itself and prevents itself from working in an efficient fashion.

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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:59 am

The place to look for Cincinnatus is not in Washington

The place to find him is in the mirror
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