Civil War Doomsday Clock

[Fife]

It's best to leave canon alone.

[Speaker to Animals]

Image was a gamble, like all business ventures, that paid off. People did want that, and then it crept into a bunch of other IPs, and people were pissed. They had to introduce a bunch of multiverse nonsense to deal with the proliferation of Spidermen and Supermen that weren't making any money.

Making The Hulk a Chinese, or whatever, was also a gamble, and not as smart a gamble as Image. Thus, it is being rolled back or spun off. There is no conspiracy. Just people trying to expand their market by trying, and often failing, to predict what people want.

Captain Marvel was a clunker, but Wonder Woman made cash. So did Black Panther. They had reason to believe more diversity would pull more of the MCU/DCU fans into printed funny books. Bad gamble that is already being undone. No big deal.

As Mike pointed out, there are some loud twitter-vists that are super pumped about comic book diversity, but as the market rebuffs them, the industry will adapt, as it always as. Just as all the X-Men lost their cargo pants once everyone realized how gay X-Force was.

You are dishonestly equivocating here, and I think you well know it.

The shift in the 90s to darker themes and plots began with entirely new franchises being built to cater to the existing demand. They didn't turn Teen Titans dark. They created The Watchmen, Spawn, etc.

There exists NO DEMAND of note for SJW comics. It's a loser all the way around. Their only motivation is naked racism and sexism against whites and men. They wish to destroy existing franchises. If they actually wanted to create something, they'd actually create something.

Like I said about your kind earlier in the thread: there are two ways to have the biggest building in a city; you can build the tallest building or you can tear down all the other buildings. You are a liberal and the kind of person who just wants to tear down everything that is not pozzed like you. You are no different than the Marxists who infected all these corporations and began pushing this filth by destroying existing franchises and art.

If there were anything noble and worthwhile to it, they'd have created their own version of Image years ago and you'd see the same transition. You were the one who brought up Image and it is devastating to your case.

Alan Moore's Swamp Thing, Frank Miller's Batman, McFarlane's Nu-metal Spiderman. None of these were new creations, they all changed the tone and character of existing franchises.

Were you freaking out about marxists destroying buildings then?

So your plan to avoid acknowledging your own example of Image comics demolishes your argument that the SJW destruction of existing comic franchises is to just start listing comics? Not sure what your game plan is here.

[PartyOf5]

An interesting article on how SJWs took over Marvel and who these people are.

https://thefederalist.com/2017/04/12/fo ... el-comics/

Out of 30 writers, every single one made bitter posts attacking President Trump and conservatives. There were no dissenters. Not one had a difference of opinion, not one even saw the sense in refraining from posting about politics.

Nick Spencer (Captain America): “The media collapse of 2016 is a spectacular thing to watch. Suddenly we’re pretending Trump supporters aren’t racist?”

He's openly celebrating lower sales of comics and calling readers racist because sales are down.

These same people who blame OWGs for low sales were the ones claiming there is a market for all this diversity. If there was a market for it you wouldn't need the OWGs to support it. Hypocrites.

[Speaker to Animals]

One fundamental question motivated Antonio Gramsci throughout his life:

Why had it proven so difficult for Marxists to promote revolution in Western Europe and America?

The answer to that question is simple: the majority of European and American workers didn't believe a word of what the Marxists had to say and neither did they want what they had to offer. Quite simply, workers didn't want to be spoon-fed and led by a tiny elite (or a “revolutionary vanguard”) or very privileged Marxists/Leftists into a giant Gulag like the Soviet Union.

So what were Marxists like Gramsci going to do about that terrible non-revolutionary situation?

Simple: they were to “take over the institutions” and bring about “cultural Marxism” (the Frankfurt School's own term) from the top. In other words, Gramsci offered his own version of what the equally totalitarian -- at least at that time -- Fabians had already done (from the 1900 onwards) in the UK.

And hasn’t cultural Marxism been successful! Students who were once intent on violent revolution later became the leaders of the BBC, members of the Labour Party, journalists at the Guardian or New Statesman, charity workers, top lawyers, and even activists or propagandists in the red sections of the churches.

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... tions.html

It's obviously not some "marketing decision". They are losing money doing this. What actually happened was that Marxists took over institutions and began using that power to advance Marxism, even if it means destroying the institutions in the first place.

If it were a "marketing decision", there would exist demand for SJW comics that justifies the outlays needed to develop entirely new franchises (new characters and stories) as happened with Image comics. But that didn't happen because it was never really about some new market of SJWs that give a shit about comics or even making money at all. It's about destroying culture.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

You are dishonestly equivocating here, and I think you well know it.

The shift in the 90s to darker themes and plots began with entirely new franchises being built to cater to the existing demand. They didn't turn Teen Titans dark. They created The Watchmen, Spawn, etc.

There exists NO DEMAND of note for SJW comics. It's a loser all the way around. Their only motivation is naked racism and sexism against whites and men. They wish to destroy existing franchises. If they actually wanted to create something, they'd actually create something.

Like I said about your kind earlier in the thread: there are two ways to have the biggest building in a city; you can build the tallest building or you can tear down all the other buildings. You are a liberal and the kind of person who just wants to tear down everything that is not pozzed like you. You are no different than the Marxists who infected all these corporations and began pushing this filth by destroying existing franchises and art.

If there were anything noble and worthwhile to it, they'd have created their own version of Image years ago and you'd see the same transition. You were the one who brought up Image and it is devastating to your case.

Alan Moore's Swamp Thing, Frank Miller's Batman, McFarlane's Nu-metal Spiderman. None of these were new creations, they all changed the tone and character of existing franchises.

Were you freaking out about marxists destroying buildings then?

So your plan to avoid acknowledging your own example of Image comics demolishes your argument that the SJW destruction of existing comic franchises is to just start listing comics? Not sure what your game plan is here.

That is an incomprehensible statement.

Listing preexisting franchises that changed in response to changing tastes and fads is addressing your bizarre claim that the existence of Image "demolishes" my argument.

An argument that both you and Po5 have both been totally incapable of refuting. Neither of you seem to have any real position at all other than reeeeeeeeeing about story choices you don't like, and then constructing incomprehensible pretzel arguments to justify your pathetic bitching.

Anyway, you're probably right. The Marxists probably are after you, your kin, and your comics. Civilization is over, time to retreat to the survival bunker, I guess.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Which one of the gospels is most woke? Matthew?

Obviously Luke, you casual.

[pineapplemike]

It's obviously not some "marketing decision". They are losing money doing this. What actually happened was that Marxists took over institutions and began using that power to advance Marxism, even if it means destroying the institutions in the first place.

If it were a "marketing decision", there would exist demand for SJW comics that justifies the outlays needed to develop entirely new franchises (new characters and stories) as happened with Image comics. But that didn't happen because it was never really about some new market of SJWs that give a shit about comics or even making money at all. It's about destroying culture.

the comics are just testing grounds for future big budget movies, profit has gone out the window now that the comicbooks are owned by giant corporations, they're more than willing to take some market risk to (hopefully) capture new audiences and build their backstory inventory for development in the future. black spider-man and muslim ms. marvel have actually been well received by the community, black girl iron man and asian hulk have not, and have been subsequently demoted back to all-age team books. but from marvel's perspective it was worth a shot, the animated spider-man movie from last year featuring miles morales proved to be a big hit and a sequel is already in development. all this talk about destroying the community and culture is silly, i'm reminded of an apeman quote wondering what democracy looks like when you believe the other side is motivated by evil

[PartyOf5]

That is an incomprehensible statement.

Listing preexisting franchises that changed in response to changing tastes and fads is addressing your bizarre claim that the existence of Image "demolishes" my argument.

An argument that both you and Po5 have both been totally incapable of refuting. Neither of you seem to have any real position at all other than reeeeeeeeeing about story choices you don't like, and then constructing incomprehensible pretzel arguments to justify your pathetic bitching.

Anyway, you're probably right. The Marxists probably are after you, your kin, and your comics. Civilization is over, time to retreat to the survival bunker, I guess.

It was refuted. You just didn't like the answers.

You are not worth discussing this with directly any further. Your tactics are nothing more than repeated personal insults, misdirections, ignoring direct requests to back up some of your claims, and now strawmen.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

That is an incomprehensible statement.

Listing preexisting franchises that changed in response to changing tastes and fads is addressing your bizarre claim that the existence of Image "demolishes" my argument.

An argument that both you and Po5 have both been totally incapable of refuting. Neither of you seem to have any real position at all other than reeeeeeeeeing about story choices you don't like, and then constructing incomprehensible pretzel arguments to justify your pathetic bitching.

Anyway, you're probably right. The Marxists probably are after you, your kin, and your comics. Civilization is over, time to retreat to the survival bunker, I guess.

It was refuted. You just didn't like the answers.

You are not worth discussing this with directly any further. Your tactics are nothing more than repeated personal insults, misdirections, ignoring direct requests to back up some of your claims, and now strawmen.

I am happy to let the record stand as is - a flawless victory for me.

[Speaker to Animals]

Alan Moore's Swamp Thing, Frank Miller's Batman, McFarlane's Nu-metal Spiderman. None of these were new creations, they all changed the tone and character of existing franchises.

Were you freaking out about marxists destroying buildings then?

So your plan to avoid acknowledging your own example of Image comics demolishes your argument that the SJW destruction of existing comic franchises is to just start listing comics? Not sure what your game plan is here.

That is an incomprehensible statement.

Listing preexisting franchises that changed in response to changing tastes and fads is addressing your bizarre claim that the existence of Image "demolishes" my argument.

An argument that both you and Po5 have both been totally incapable of refuting. Neither of you seem to have any real position at all other than reeeeeeeeeing about story choices you don't like, and then constructing incomprehensible pretzel arguments to justify your pathetic bitching.

Anyway, you're probably right. The Marxists probably are after you, your kin, and your comics. Civilization is over, time to retreat to the survival bunker, I guess.

I am sure it's utterly "incomprehensible" to you when you lose, but the rest of us see through your argument and realize that Image comics was an example of how wrong you are, not supportive of the idea that these SJW tactics are merely "marketing tactics".

If there existed market demand for SJW comics, then there would be SJW comics. There exists no demand. The Marxists who took over these institutions first and foremost are trying to destroy our culture. They don't care about the money. Brie Larson didn't give a flying fuck that she destroyed that movie's revenue with her racist and sexist comments. The Marvel Marxists who put some domestic abusing woman in Thor's costume didn't care that sales would plummet. Their only objective is to destroy Western civilization so that the Marxist revolution can happen.

It's not complicated. You should just be honest about what you are.