Civil War Doomsday Clock

[pineapplemike]

i'm only disputing that its an intentional destruction of the comicbook community. you can point to a number of comments from ultra-lefty creators, and in fact the majority of creators in the industry lean left, but to suggest they are trying to destroy the decades of comicbook continuity is silly

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

You don't comprehend how it pertains to 'the point' because your point is absurd, and you are incapable of understanding the counter argument.

Fine. You are the victim. Your community is destroyed. Your complete lack of comprehension regarding mythic storytelling is irrelevant because you feel victimized.

I was being civil and trying to get you to engage the actual point, but you can just fuck off now. You aren't interested in discussing it. Fine. Keep using insults and misdirections. I never claimed to be a victim. Yet another of your pre-conceived narratives that prevents you from having an actual discussion about my point.

You claimed your community was being intentionally destroyed by a leftist cabal. If that ain't being a victim, what is?

I am discussing your point. Specifically, refuting it. Everything you claim is an attack on your community is better explained by simple market logic, and no different than what has happened in comic books since time immemorial.

Turning heroes to anti-heroes is a much more fundamental change than making white heroes coloreds. If you don't understand that, then you are no better than the SJWs you are bitching about.

Look son, you got outclassed. No shame in that. You stepped into something because you were (somewhat inexplicably) all hot n' bothered about it, but your mouth wrote some checks your knowledge couldn't cash.

I'm happy to fuck off about it, but, seriously, figure out what it is you actually like about hero myths and epic story telling, because I doubt it is just the fact that Tony Stark is a white dude... I doubt this precisely because I doubt you are a bigot.

There is more to heroic symbols than identity or immortal power fantasies drawn out indefinitely. It will be edifying to figure that out, and your community will appreciate your wisdom and perspective.

Or not. Comic book weebs are unpredictable.

[Martin Hash]

I was convinced by Hanarchy's logic though I'm an OWG and would prefer the current persecution I feel was realer than it really is. (It's really real though.)

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I was convinced by Hanarchy's logic though I'm an OWG and would prefer the current persecution I feel was realer than it really is. (It's really real though.)

[Speaker to Animals]

It's bullshit, though.

These are not merely marketing decisions because they cost companies money. Also, if there truly existed this new market of disabled queer Muslim feminists, then there would exist demand for new comics with new characters and narratives.

You brought up Image in the 90s, but that is devastating to your position. Image is exactly what I was talking about. Gen X was growing up and still wanted their comics, but they wanted them darker and more violent. Entirely new universes were imagined. Gen X demand is what made The Watchmen happen. Nobody had to erase existing franchises to do that.

What the cultural Marxists want who took over these corps is to destroy existing comics. They do not care long term about sales because they know there exists no market for this shit.

This is the end of the long march through the institutions. It has nothing at all to do with making money. That Captain Marvel movie cost Disney so much they actually had to purchase tickets to their own movies to cover up the damage.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

It's bullshit, though.

These are not merely marketing decisions because they cost companies money. Also, if there truly existed this new market of disabled queer Muslim feminists, then there would exist demand for new comics with new characters and narratives.

You brought up Image in the 90s, but that is devastating to your position. Image is exactly what I was talking about. Gen X was growing up and still wanted their comics, but they wanted them darker and more violent. Entirely new universes were imagined. Gen X demand is what made The Watchmen happen. Nobody had to erase existing franchises to do that.

What the cultural Marxists want who took over these corps is to destroy existing comics. They do not care long term about sales because they know there exists no market for this shit.

This is the end of the long march through the institutions. It has nothing at all to do with making money. That Captain Marvel movie cost Disney so much they actually had to purchase tickets to their own movies to cover up the damage.

Image was a gamble, like all business ventures, that paid off. People did want that, and then it crept into a bunch of other IPs, and people were pissed. They had to introduce a bunch of multiverse nonsense to deal with the proliferation of Spidermen and Supermen that weren't making any money.

Making The Hulk a Chinese, or whatever, was also a gamble, and not as smart a gamble as Image. Thus, it is being rolled back or spun off. There is no conspiracy. Just people trying to expand their market by trying, and often failing, to predict what people want.

Captain Marvel was a clunker, but Wonder Woman made cash. So did Black Panther. They had reason to believe more diversity would pull more of the MCU/DCU fans into printed funny books. Bad gamble that is already being undone. No big deal.

As Mike pointed out, there are some loud twitter-vists that are super pumped about comic book diversity, but as the market rebuffs them, the industry will adapt, as it always as. Just as all the X-Men lost their cargo pants once everyone realized how gay X-Force was.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's bullshit, though.

These are not merely marketing decisions because they cost companies money. Also, if there truly existed this new market of disabled queer Muslim feminists, then there would exist demand for new comics with new characters and narratives.

You brought up Image in the 90s, but that is devastating to your position. Image is exactly what I was talking about. Gen X was growing up and still wanted their comics, but they wanted them darker and more violent. Entirely new universes were imagined. Gen X demand is what made The Watchmen happen. Nobody had to erase existing franchises to do that.

What the cultural Marxists want who took over these corps is to destroy existing comics. They do not care long term about sales because they know there exists no market for this shit.

This is the end of the long march through the institutions. It has nothing at all to do with making money. That Captain Marvel movie cost Disney so much they actually had to purchase tickets to their own movies to cover up the damage.

Image was a gamble, like all business ventures, that paid off. People did want that, and then it crept into a bunch of other IPs, and people were pissed. They had to introduce a bunch of multiverse nonsense to deal with the proliferation of Spidermen and Supermen that weren't making any money.

Making The Hulk a Chinese, or whatever, was also a gamble, and not as smart a gamble as Image. Thus, it is being rolled back or spun off. There is no conspiracy. Just people trying to expand their market by trying, and often failing, to predict what people want.

Captain Marvel was a clunker, but Wonder Woman made cash. So did Black Panther. They had reason to believe more diversity would pull more of the MCU/DCU fans into printed funny books. Bad gamble that is already being undone. No big deal.

As Mike pointed out, there are some loud twitter-vists that are super pumped about comic book diversity, but as the market rebuffs them, the industry will adapt, as it always as. Just as all the X-Men lost their cargo pants once everyone realized how gay X-Force was.

You are dishonestly equivocating here, and I think you well know it.

The shift in the 90s to darker themes and plots began with entirely new franchises being built to cater to the existing demand. They didn't turn Teen Titans dark. They created The Watchmen, Spawn, etc.

There exists NO DEMAND of note for SJW comics. It's a loser all the way around. Their only motivation is naked racism and sexism against whites and men. They wish to destroy existing franchises. If they actually wanted to create something, they'd actually create something.

Like I said about your kind earlier in the thread: there are two ways to have the biggest building in a city; you can build the tallest building or you can tear down all the other buildings. You are a liberal and the kind of person who just wants to tear down everything that is not pozzed like you. You are no different than the Marxists who infected all these corporations and began pushing this filth by destroying existing franchises and art.

If there were anything noble and worthwhile to it, they'd have created their own version of Image years ago and you'd see the same transition. You were the one who brought up Image and it is devastating to your case.

[PartyOf5]

i'm only disputing that its an intentional destruction of the comicbook community. you can point to a number of comments from ultra-lefty creators, and in fact the majority of creators in the industry lean left, but to suggest they are trying to destroy the decades of comicbook continuity is silly

I back off as far as it being an intentional disruption by a number of creators, with the company being complicit in that they continue to employ them and back their decisions. Sure, they want to increase diversity, but they are doing so in a way that also erodes the existing culture by replacing the OWG with their diverse heroes.

[PartyOf5]

You don't comprehend how it pertains to 'the point' because your point is absurd, and you are incapable of understanding the counter argument.

Target <> Victim

Just like your belief that the attempts will fail does not mean that is not their intention.

[PartyOf5]

Look son, you got outclassed. No shame in that. You stepped into something because you were (somewhat inexplicably) all hot n' bothered about it, but your mouth wrote some checks your knowledge couldn't cash.

You sound like Baghdad Bob claiming victory while on the run.

Speaking of not being able to cash checks, how is Black Panther woke? Because it had black people in it? I guess you consider Roots to be woke too. Woke decades before woke was woke.