Socialism

[The Conservative]

It’s crazy that Naturopathy, Chiropractic, acupuncture & massage therapy, which are total quackery, are covered by Heath Insurance. There’s some huge costs right there.

Chiropractic is quackery? I have had good results with mine. Mostly just physical therapy - stretches, and message with the electrical thing.

PT unless you are amputee learning how to use a new appendage, is worthless. 90% of everything you do there you can do at home.

[Speaker to Animals]

No light at the end of this tunnel.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... l-hospital

[Fife]

[The Conservative]

No light at the end of this tunnel.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... l-hospital

You don't want to know what my medical bills are for my wife when she had to have her pancreas removed...

[Montegriffo]

What's a medical bill?

[DBTrek]

What's a medical bill?

Start with “what’s productivity” and try working your way up to medical bills. You may actually want to start with “what’s personal responsibility”, since you’re British.

You have much to learn before we can even begin on people paying for the labor and material investments of medical personnel.

[heydaralon]

We need to start a 2yr certification program for licensed ‘shamans’ who perform services consummate with combat medics for reasonable cash or trade.

Broken arm? Shaman can fix that. Concussion? Shaman can help. Non-lethal bullet wound? Shaman is on it. Flu? Shaman has your OTC meds right here.

Stage 2 cancer? Go to the hospital.

I don't know if you are trolling, but that is not a bad idea. Just figure out how to keep the education costs down I guess, which is not really an area I have expertise in.

The other thing that causes our healthcare to get screwed up is poor people use the ER as a place to deal with minor shit. I used to know a PA in Baltimore who told me that certain demographics would take their children to the ER for colds, or to check them for bedbugs, or they would go in for a sore throat. This rages the staff at hospitals, who are using scarce expensive resources on shit that is not life threatening, and it won't change the outcome much. Think about it: If you have a cold, what fucking difference does it make if you go to the hospital. The doctor there will tell you take nyquil or whatever, sleep, and maybe eat some Vitamin C. Its not like you won't be sick anymore. Yet countless people do this shit every day in his city. Or they will come in saying they have pain, and then write on the form they are alleargic to tylenol, aspirin, and all the other non narcotic painkillers. Other folks used the ambulance as a taxi service, and their illness would magically disappear at the hospital and they'd get out there as it was a lot closer to their destination. Many of these folks who use the hospital for these non legitimate purposes also do not pay the bill, which means that the paying people's costs are increased to make up the difference.

Using the hospital for these purposes is kind of like giving a person who is hungry, a pretzel or hot dog from a football stadium. Its not going to be that great, but it will be expensive, and other forms of food are better for you and cheaper. The system is fucked, but there are a great deal of poor people who abuse the shit out of our nation's hospitals and take advantage of the staff, and that is a problem that very few leftist politicians have addressed.

[DrYouth]

Who do Canadian doctors and nurses work for?

Their patients.

The government.

The government pays the bill. But the government does not tell doctors what to do. The doctor decides what to do based on their medical training. They are held accountable for their clinical decisions by their conscience, their patients and their professional association. It's a good system for patients and doctors alike... with a minimum of meddling by untrained bureaucrats or insurance folks.

[brewster]

The system is fucked, but there are a great deal of poor people who abuse the shit out of our nation's hospitals and take advantage of the staff, and that is a problem that very few leftist politicians have addressed.

You do realize single payer solves this problem just fine? People go to an ER for primary care when they don't have health insurance.

[DBTrek]

People go to an ER for primary care when they don't have health insurance.

People walk when they don't have cars.
That's not a justification for forcing everyone else to buy the walkers new cars.