America Ain’t That Great?

[HarryK]

No an apology was in order. It is hard to have a dialogue without speaking on the same terms that apply to said conversation.

For me any economic model also has to involve the political implications as well as the scientific theory behind the means, distribution of wealth, and resource allocation to distribution of wealth.

And to go back to “regulations” think back to the stock market crash in the late 1920’s. The Federal gov’t came up with the harshest regulation policies towards banks no longer being allowed to loan money (margins) for investments. Personal banking was separated from investment/business banking. The stock market was by all accounts for the wealthy while the average person scrimped and saved and lived less conspicuous lives. That changed in the 80’s (for the good) when Reagan deregulated monopolies like AT&T which lower the costs to the general public (Sprint was the first to take advantage, and the spin off’s like Verizon took of as well.) Airlines were deregulated and that’s where Southwest Airlines floored the likes of TWA, Delta and United).

When Reagan deregulated Wall Street, it shot up like a cannon. We’d never saw the Dow Jones go over a 1,000 let alone nearly 2,000 (NY state really benefited because 30% of the State budget relies upon Wall St being profitable). However the massive insider trading, the Gordon Geckos of the world like Mitt Romney bank leaveraged buyout’s that destroyed hard working people, and since they would break these old corporations into sellable bite size pieces, the people’s pensions we’re now the ward of the federal government who can stop funding it any old time they want to. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs wouldn’t be the Titans they were without Wall St.

But too much of a good thing becomes a horror show due to greedy pigs thinking the good times will roll. So on Black Tuesday everything went tits up and the small investor got rooked while the wealthy investors litigated themselves out of trouble. And like clockwork every 7-10,years those same greedy pigs would crash the market with some new scheme. Dot com bust in the late 90’s early 2000’s. The housing bubble in which if you’d knew the Dr Doom of forecasting you’d be a millionaire buy short selling the hell out of the lending companies.

But of course the average citizen was ignored by the government. And during the Bush/Obama transition they paid the banker and left us out hat in hand. So sure capitalism has it’s perks no doubt, but as far as I’m concerned it’s not the panacea that other may think in the creative/destructive process.

[Speaker to Animals]

There are women who have our self-awareness and judgment. Florence Nightengale had it. She remarked she felt more like a man because of it. She also pointed out that women generally lack sympathy and compassion. I think the notion that women have those traits more than us is terribly mistaken and easily disproved through objective assessment in one's life.

I think this is where Peterson goes off the rails too.

You have to truly suffer to develop sympathy and compassion. You develop mercy by fighting with other males and losing. Women do not have to suffer or labor as men do, and they live their entire lives under the protection of men in general.

Where I think we fuck ourselves is in interpersonal and social skills. We focus more on ideas, arguments, and just practical objectives. It's really difficult for me at least to see things as women do in terms of social cohesion, compromise, and negotiation.

[BjornP]

You’d think as a practicing attorney & doctor, I would have some experience talking with clients & patients about what they want? Plus, I’ve been married to a woman for 40 years, and have grown daughters. It must be my Toxic Masculinity preventing me from knowing what women want.

I don't care about your experience "as a lawyer/doctor", Martin. Otoh, I do care, and trust in your experiences aside from that (in your capacity of husband and father).

[Martin Hash]

You’d think as a practicing attorney & doctor, I would have some experience talking with clients & patients about what they want? Plus, I’ve been married to a woman for 40 years, and have grown daughters. It must be my Toxic Masculinity preventing me from knowing what women want.

I don't care about your experience "as a lawyer/doctor", Martin. Otoh, I do care, and trust in your experiences aside from that (in your capacity of husband and father).

Then you don’t know much about lawyers & doctors. Listening to people is what we do; more than any other professions.

[Speaker to Animals]

What do you religious folks believe?

That men and women evolved (or were created) to compliment one another. That the natural role of man is to be the head of the family, especially spiritually, and when we follow the lead of women generally poor outcomes ensue.

This gender dysphoria (and here I do not just mean the extreme cases of trans, but mixing up of male and female personality characteristics we especially see in millennials) is actually a subtle theme in the fall of Man.

But now feminine men dominate religious life in America. Women dominate churches everywhere, which is why masculine men tend to say fuck this shit and not go. Churches everywhere are full of women and children but dad stays home.

[Speaker to Animals]

If you guys ever read Albion's Seed you will see how this began for American society. Puritans were really dominated by women. Most Puritans were women who happened to bring along their husbands to the New Zion of Yankeeland.

I think as Puritanism became Yankeeism, and Yankeeism incorporated Marxism, refashioning it in religious terms, that shit spread like wildfire. We exported it to Europe.

Now shit is just fucked up. Peak Yankee.

[BjornP]

Then you don’t know much about lawyers & doctors. Listening to people is what we do; more than any other professions.

Well, a cynic might say you have to listen to the customer to sell them what you either think is best for them or what benefits your business...

Anyway, the point I was making is simply that on the matter of understanding women, I trust men who actually talk with women on a regular basis, and not just as patients or angry spouses meeting with a divorce lawyer. You're more trustworthy on the feelings of women given your experience as a father than as someone with a diploma.

[Speaker to Animals]

Being a father just makes you hyper-protective.

"Daddy's little girl" is a thing. Toxic women often have a dad who caves to their demands.

I'd stick with doctors and lawyers. They don't really give a shit about pleasing patients and clients, only achieving the objectives of their jobs.

[Martin Hash]

Coincidently (?) a video just came up on my YouTube feed from 2nd generation GenZ Chinese-Canadian immigrants dumping on the "White Left," and how they might have to take up arms against Marxism because their fathers didn't bring them to Canada to be Socialists. They understood the situation entirely.

[C-Mag]

Good Topic Marti

IMO, they don't appreciate it because they have never really had to work for any of it, they really have contributed. They are spoiled kids that have had everything given to them.