Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[Montegriffo]

Win at all costs and fuck the truth.
Your version of democracy sucks.

Just a reminder,

NO ONE VOTED FOR A NO DEAL BREXIT

No one voted for a negotiated exit agreement either. None of those options were on the ballot.

A negotiated exit agreement was sold by every single major campaigner on the leave side. Even the most rabid hard Brexiteers like Farage, Gove and Raab. They told us that a no-deal Brexit and its consequences were ''project fear''. They actively told us that no-deal wasn't going to happen.
How can anyone now tell us that the voters were in favour of a hard Brexit?
The wording on the ballot was overly simplistic and didn't provide a mandate for any of the real-life options.
There is only one way of finding out if the public wants a no-deal Brexit.
Somehow asking the public to vote on it is undemocratic though.

Trying to now tell us that a vote to leave meant leaving by any means is re-writing history to suit the narrative.
It's as meaningless as chanting ''leave means leave'' or ''Brexit means Brexit''.

If I am running you a bath and ask you if you want it ''hot or cold'' and you reply hot am I right to assume that you want it at boiling point even though we both know you will get seriously burnt if you then get in it?
Would ''how hot do you want your bath'' have been a necessary follow up question?

[Montegriffo]

The latest instalment to this real-life soap opera is that a former Conservative Prime minister has joined the legal battle to declare Boris's suspension of Parliament unlawful/unconstitutional.

Sir John Major is joining forces with Gina Miller to oppose the decision to suspend Parliament in the courts.

The Tory former PM believes the move by Boris Johnson is aimed at preventing MPs from opposing a no-deal Brexit.

He warned in July he would be prepared to seek a judicial review if the new PM attempted to suspend Parliament.

Campaigner Ms Miller had already launched her own attempt, and Sir John said by joining her he would avoid "taking up the court's time".

It is not possible to mount a legal challenge to the Queen's approval of the suspension - known as prorogation - which was confirmed on Wednesday.

But Sir John and Ms Miller believe they can legally challenge the advice the Queen's prime minister gives her.

In a statement, Sir John said: "I promised that, if the prime minister prorogued Parliament in order to prevent members from opposing his Brexit plans, I would seek judicial review of his action.

"In view of the imminence of the prorogation - and to avoid duplication of effort, and taking up the court's time through repetition - I intend to seek the court's permission to intervene in the claim already initiated by Gina Miller, rather than to commence separate proceedings."

He added that he intended to "seek to assist the court from the perspective of having served in government as a minister and prime minister, and also in Parliament for many years as a member of the House of Commons".

The BBC's legal affairs correspondent, Clive Coleman, said: "You could scarcely have more heavyweight support in this legal challenge to try and stop the suspension of Parliament.

"We are in unprecedented times and this is an unprecedented intervention."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49523055

I've always said that Sir John was the best PM in my lifetime. A true man of honour, a rarity on either side of the commons and almost unheard of in a Prime minister.

Oh, how we have fallen. Both leaders of our main political parties disliked and unwanted by many in their own party and a former Tory PM actively getting involved in trying to stop the current Tory PM from abusing Parliamentary convention.

[Speaker to Animals]

If the Queen signs off on it, it is legal, dude. This is a monarchy. LOL

[Montegriffo]

If the Queen signs off on it, it is legal, dude. This is a monarchy. LOL

Not if the courts disagree. We are a constitutional monarchy.
Our constitution is an accumulation of various statutes, conventions, judicial decisions and treaties. If it can be shown that Boris has broken convention in a judicial review Her Majesty would have no choice but to comply with the ruling.

[Fife]

[Speaker to Animals]

If the Queen signs off on it, it is legal, dude. This is a monarchy. LOL

Not if the courts disagree. We are a constitutional monarchy.
Our constitution is an accumulation of various statutes, conventions, judicial decisions and treaties. If it can be shown that Boris has broken convention in a judicial review Her Majesty would have no choice but to comply with the ruling.

The law gives her this authority. She has every right to shut down that ridiculous shit show.

[Speaker to Animals]

Think of it as if you are the monarch. Your ultimate responsibility as a living sovereign is the security and prosperity of your people. Most Britons want the fuck out of the EU. Parliament is playing dirty games to undermine the will of their own electorate. The only rational course of action is to at least suspend the fucking thing and get Brexit done with. That's the bare minimum.

I would argue they proved their illegitimacy when they violated the democratic contract. When people vote for something it has to be. For Parliament to violate the democratic vote is to prove they are not only illegitimate, but are an enemy of the prosperity of the realm. I would fire all of them and start over.

Violating a democratic vote in the UK should result in a parliamentary reset. You have an awesome mechanism here and it should be used in cases like this one.

[Montegriffo]

Yet Parliament has not been prorogued for 4 years. The longest Parliamentary session in over 400 years.
It is the timing and the intent which is suspect, not the prorogation itself.
Also, the length of time Parliament is to be suspended. 5 weeks rather than the more conventional 1 week.
I believe the intent is to deny Parliament the time to debate a no-deal Brexit and as such, it is unlawful and unconstitutional. Former Tory PM Sir John Major is of the same opinion.
The courts will hear the case next Tuesday at a court of sessions in Edinburgh.

[Zlaxer]

It's fucking England - who cares, they're broke as shit anyways....just like us....they're going to get hammered when the Collapse comes whether their Englishmen or EU weenies...They lost their ballz along time ago..

[Speaker to Animals]

It's fucking England - who cares, they're broke as shit anyways....just like us....they're going to get hammered when the Collapse comes whether their Englishmen or EU weenies...They lost their ballz along time ago..

You engage in ressentiment here.