The Deep State

[Speaker to Animals]

unjustified war*

* That the civilians made happen via their votes.

Just point me to the candidate that’s going to end our pointless invasions.

I am sick to death of hearing that voters are responsible for things they never voted on.

You are responsible for it precisely because you don't give a shit about it and it does not factor into your decisions. I ask this again and again with no response from the likes of you: how many Hillary voters in 2016 do you suppose would still vote for her if it was going to be their candy asses loaded onto a C-5 and shipped off to fight her many wars for her? I contend only a small fraction would still vote for her in that case, most of them females because they know they can just get themselves knocked up to escape the draft.

Think of it like this.. in the evolution of species, a genetic trait that makes no distinction with respect to survivability -- and thus increased chances of reproduction -- will neither be selected for or against. The environmental pressures that drive evolutionary processes couldn't care less. These traits can linger on for untold time. Most of us still have an appendix. There are little blind moles that still have eye bumps even though the eyes do not work.

The political process in any form of democracy works much like an evolutionary process. The environmental variables that give rise to specific traits in leaders are ALL sourced in the electorate. Because none of you really give a shit about wars, really no politician gives a shit either. They will happily send the 1% of Americans who serve to go fight in Iraq, and you will happily vote for them because they promise you things you do care about.

You are all responsible for this shit.

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This was the secret of men like Hitler. When he said Ich bin Deutschland, Deutschland ist mich, this is what he meant. He sought to become the embodiment of the will of the people. It was some kind of weird union between the people and the leader, where the leader becomes the manifestation of the collective will.

[C-Mag]

It has a lot to do with it. Ask yourself why the 1% that is most mentally adept and Physically fit, live the cleanest and most active lifestyles choose to be on the working end of US Foreign Policy.

We have given folks the option to choose service or not since 1975. What we have found out is, is the genetically superior humans in our society choose service for the inferior 99%.

I have some issues with your underlying assumptions.

My ears are open........... let me hear them.

[pineapplemike]

props to the people that voted for W with the promises of a limited foreign footprint only to have their vote now be credited with invading the middle east

Let's not cherry pick, Obama expanded military operations into more countries than W. Obama destroyed Libya just because, created a human crisis and smuggled weapons into Syria that created ISIS. Oh, and Yemen, he expanded us into there too.

I agree, and it strengthens my point that Obama was elected largely as an anti-war candidate, yet he expanded the wars

[C-Mag]

props to the people that voted for W with the promises of a limited foreign footprint only to have their vote now be credited with invading the middle east

Let's not cherry pick, Obama expanded military operations into more countries than W. Obama destroyed Libya just because, created a human crisis and smuggled weapons into Syria that created ISIS. Oh, and Yemen, he expanded us into there too.

I agree, and it strengthens my point that Obama was elected largely as an anti-war candidate, yet he expanded the wars

Yes, I feel Presidents are elected by the populace to deal with problems that may not be stated. End the wars and end racial tensions in the US was Obama's........... he failed and exacerbated both.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Let's not cherry pick, Obama expanded military operations into more countries than W. Obama destroyed Libya just because, created a human crisis and smuggled weapons into Syria that created ISIS. Oh, and Yemen, he expanded us into there too.

I agree, and it strengthens my point that Obama was elected largely as an anti-war candidate, yet he expanded the wars

Yes, I feel Presidents are elected by the populace to deal with problems that may not be stated. End the wars and end racial tensions in the US was Obama's........... he failed and exacerbated both.

Trump promised to pull us out of the Infinite War as well. How's that working out?

[Speaker to Animals]

Let's not cherry pick, Obama expanded military operations into more countries than W. Obama destroyed Libya just because, created a human crisis and smuggled weapons into Syria that created ISIS. Oh, and Yemen, he expanded us into there too.

I agree, and it strengthens my point that Obama was elected largely as an anti-war candidate, yet he expanded the wars

Yes, I feel Presidents are elected by the populace to deal with problems that may not be stated. End the wars and end racial tensions in the US was Obama's........... he failed and exacerbated both.

I think he was elected for "social justice". Period. People wanted a black president. They wanted more affirmative action. More anti-white diversity. A chance to virtue signal, etc.

I don't think war factored into it one bit. NONE of them protested his wars.

I don't even think they actually gave a shit about the wars under Bush. They protested them because the republicans were responsible and they wanted a chance to virtue signal. Every single leftist protest you see out there is mostly virtue signaling. The violent ones are a relatively small group paid and trained to agitate.

[SuburbanFarmer]

It has a lot to do with it. Ask yourself why the 1% that is most mentally adept and Physically fit, live the cleanest and most active lifestyles choose to be on the working end of US Foreign Policy.

We have given folks the option to choose service or not since 1975. What we have found out is, is the genetically superior humans in our society choose service for the inferior 99%.

I have some issues with your underlying assumptions.

My ears are open........... let me hear them.

The most mentally adept are going into the financial industry. The most physically fit are athletes. Genetic superiority is an absurd claim, when applied to any group of humans, unless you're talking about immunity to a specific disease.

The military is mostly made up of trailer/ghetto kids with no other options. I have no doubt that there are superhumans to be found in the group, but it's far from a "Superior Human" grouping.

[Speaker to Animals]

I agree, and it strengthens my point that Obama was elected largely as an anti-war candidate, yet he expanded the wars

Yes, I feel Presidents are elected by the populace to deal with problems that may not be stated. End the wars and end racial tensions in the US was Obama's........... he failed and exacerbated both.

Trump promised to pull us out of the Infinite War as well. How's that working out?

Let's see..


The war with ISIS that Obama was responsible for (as well as responsible for creating ISIS itself): over.

The Korean War: over.

Iraq: we are out.


We still need to get out of Afghanistan and stop aiding SA in Yemen.

Seems to me like he is winding down Obama and Bush's fuck ups rather quickly.

[pineapplemike]

Don't get me wrong I still support the vote, it's really all we have, but to pin the blame for the wars on voters that have generally voted for anti-war candidates doesn't make sense to me. Especially when we have a clear split between the president and the "deep state," as evidenced by anyone watching the news these days.

[SuburbanFarmer]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawa ... wal_(2011)

With the collapse of discussions about extending the stay of U.S. troops,[34][35] President Obama announced the full withdrawal of troops from Iraq, as previously scheduled, on 21 October 2011.[35] The U.S. retained an embassy in Baghdad[35] with some 17,000 personnel,[36] consulates in Basra, Mosul and Kirkuk, which have been allocated more than 1,000 staff each,[36] and between 4,000 and 5,000 defense contractors.[35] President Obama and al-Maliki outlined a broad agenda for post-war cooperation without American troops in Iraq during a joint press conference on 12 December 2011 at the White House. This agenda included cooperation on energy, trade and education as well as cooperation in security, counter-terrorism, economic development and strengthening Iraq's institutions. Both leaders said their countries would maintain strong security, diplomatic and economic ties after the last U.S. combat forces withdraw.[37][38]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawa ... nald_Trump

In the middle of June 2017 newly elected U.S. President Donald Trump gave the U.S. military decision making authority over troop numbers for U.S. military operations in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.[184][185] The new authority includes increasing the current troop level cap beyond the 8,400 U.S. troops authorized as of July 2017

On August 30, 2017 the Pentagon disclosed that there were more troops in Afghanistan than previously acknowledged. The Pentagon said previously that there were 8,400 troops in Afghanistan, but in reality the actual “total force” number was closer to 11,000.