I don't like Trump

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Give a range of dates that are considered very early on please

I remember reading the news in late January or early February when even the dicey info coming out of China at the time showed that the elderly and people with otherwise compromised health were suffering dire complications, while most infected weren't suffering enough to consider calling in sick to work.

These details haven't seemed to have changed all that much. I am confident that the White House was making a reasonable calculation about issuing overly restrictive federal guidelines since at least early March, but instead of clearly communicating this, we just got a bunch of self aggrandizing.

Jan. 14 The WHO said no proof of human to human transmission

Jan 20 first case in US.
CDC develops a test that will later be found faulty.

Jan 24 Senate is briefed

Jan 27 WHO says risk is high

Jan 29 Trump forms task force
Travel suspended to China
68 total cases outside China, 3 in US

Jan 31 Trump admin calls it a public health Emergency.

Feb 3 CDC said we need tests for local use rather than all going through Atlanta

Feb 6 CDC sends their tests to state labs and find they are faulty.

Other tests are available, but the FDA will not approve

March 11 WHO declares pandemic
CDC warns people NOT to wear masks

Apr 3 CDC does a 180 and says you should wear a mask.


To me it appears Trump was following the lead of the Experts in Science.

Without parsing every part of that timeline, I agree. He was following the lead of experts.

[Xenophon]

I guess "disingenuous" is the soy-boy catchphrase for "You refuted my point", "I don't understand", or "stop bringing reason into this", given HM's and SF's affection for throwing it around.

It's more nuanced

Hmm, yes, quite. *swirls cognac*

[C-Mag]

I remember reading the news in late January or early February when even the dicey info coming out of China at the time showed that the elderly and people with otherwise compromised health were suffering dire complications, while most infected weren't suffering enough to consider calling in sick to work.

These details haven't seemed to have changed all that much. I am confident that the White House was making a reasonable calculation about issuing overly restrictive federal guidelines since at least early March, but instead of clearly communicating this, we just got a bunch of self aggrandizing.

Jan. 14 The WHO said no proof of human to human transmission

Jan 20 first case in US.
CDC develops a test that will later be found faulty.

Jan 24 Senate is briefed

Jan 27 WHO says risk is high

Jan 29 Trump forms task force
Travel suspended to China
68 total cases outside China, 3 in US

Jan 31 Trump admin calls it a public health Emergency.

Feb 3 CDC said we need tests for local use rather than all going through Atlanta

Feb 6 CDC sends their tests to state labs and find they are faulty.

Other tests are available, but the FDA will not approve

March 11 WHO declares pandemic
CDC warns people NOT to wear masks

Apr 3 CDC does a 180 and says you should wear a mask.


To me it appears Trump was following the lead of the Experts in Science.

But he wasn't watching the YouTube video I was REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

The CDC straight up lied to the country for over 2 months on masks

[Xenophon]

Jan. 14 The WHO said no proof of human to human transmission

Jan 20 first case in US.
CDC develops a test that will later be found faulty.

Jan 24 Senate is briefed

Jan 27 WHO says risk is high

Jan 29 Trump forms task force
Travel suspended to China
68 total cases outside China, 3 in US

Jan 31 Trump admin calls it a public health Emergency.

Feb 3 CDC said we need tests for local use rather than all going through Atlanta

Feb 6 CDC sends their tests to state labs and find they are faulty.

Other tests are available, but the FDA will not approve

March 11 WHO declares pandemic
CDC warns people NOT to wear masks

Apr 3 CDC does a 180 and says you should wear a mask.


To me it appears Trump was following the lead of the Experts in Science.

But he wasn't watching the YouTube video I was REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

The CDC straight up lied to the country for over 2 months on masks

Imagine telling the truth about something. It's 2020, dude. Orange man bad.

[C-Mag]

Without parsing every part of that timeline, I agree. He was following the lead of experts.

Yeah
Maybe he shouldn't have and that's where he's wrong.

But remember, Trump just went through impeachment for not following the Experts 100 %

WTF would you do

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Jan. 14 The WHO said no proof of human to human transmission

Jan 20 first case in US.
CDC develops a test that will later be found faulty.

Jan 24 Senate is briefed

Jan 27 WHO says risk is high

Jan 29 Trump forms task force
Travel suspended to China
68 total cases outside China, 3 in US

Jan 31 Trump admin calls it a public health Emergency.

Feb 3 CDC said we need tests for local use rather than all going through Atlanta

Feb 6 CDC sends their tests to state labs and find they are faulty.

Other tests are available, but the FDA will not approve

March 11 WHO declares pandemic
CDC warns people NOT to wear masks

Apr 3 CDC does a 180 and says you should wear a mask.


To me it appears Trump was following the lead of the Experts in Science.

But he wasn't watching the YouTube video I was REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

The CDC straight up lied to the country for over 2 months on masks

The CDC said cloth masks were not effective at stopping the wearer from contracting the disease, because you are going to catch it from touching a surface with the virus, and then touching yourself, or through direct contact. This is true.

The recommendation not to wear them was to keep them available for hospital staff that need them to keep from getting spit and drool all over the place because they need to work in a sterile environment.

[C-Mag]

But he wasn't watching the YouTube video I was REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

The CDC straight up lied to the country for over 2 months on masks

Imagine telling the truth about something. It's 2020, dude. Orange man bad.

LOL

True

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Without parsing every part of that timeline, I agree. He was following the lead of experts.

Yeah
Maybe he shouldn't have and that's where he's wrong.

But remember, Trump just went through impeachment for not following the Experts 100 %

WTF would you do
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I would have done much the same as Trump, but spent more time trying to clearly explain the dangers and benefits of my recommendations, instead of trying to pat myself on the back.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Dude, stop. I already proved the lie of the Lysol hoax. Hoaxing the president relentlessly then complaining he has no credibility is disingenuous. Bush Jr. was stupider and did measurable damage to the world but he’s wasn’t hoaxed.

Yes, Trump is treated unfairly. My point was that even his supporters have been 'not taking him literally' for a long time, and that is not going to work anymore.

[Xenophon]

Dude, stop. I already proved the lie of the Lysol hoax. Hoaxing the president relentlessly then complaining he has no credibility is disingenuous. Bush Jr. was stupider and did measurable damage to the world but he’s wasn’t hoaxed.

Yes, Trump is treated unfairly. My point was that even his supporters have been 'not taking him literally' for a long time, and that is not going to work anymore.

I don't think that people have been saying, "Don't take him literally" in that they're saying nothing he says can be taken literally. It's just that Trump could say, "It's raining cats and dogs," and the media would say, "TRUMP WANTS YOUR PETS TO FALL OUT OF THE SKY AND DIE."