Meanwhile in Ukraine

[SuburbanFarmer]

Intelligence failures are pretty common.

False equivalency FTL.

[The Conservative]

Intelligence failures are pretty common.

False equivalency FTL.

Not at that level... if you don't have a pulse on a country's stance, you are failing at your job at such a level that it makes Biden look competent.

[Smitty-48]

Bullshit, if NATO didn't know that at the time, then there is no reason for NATO because it fell asleep at the wheel to say the least.

says who ?

You... I bolded the section that answers your own question.

Able Archer was a TEWT

Tactical Exercise Without Troops

there weren't even any NATO forces deployed for the Ex

it was a radio exercise

the Soviets were listening to the radio, thought it was real

but it wasn't real, it wasn't even a field exercise

you honestly don't know anything about it, but are simply too dishonest to admit that, everybody knows

[SilverEagle]

I can't believe we're talking about Trump when 1 year into FJB, the world is at an end. Jesus Christ. I want Trump back NOW

see I think it's too late

Trump was an effective bulwark preventing this from happening in the first place

but now that it has happened, Trump can't put the genie back in the bottle

He can’t put the genie back in the bottle but he would unwind this bullshit and get us moving in the right direction again. It would take probably 3 years of Trump to unwind this bullshit that Biden created in one fucking year. Things might be too far gone by 2024.

[Smitty-48]

I can't believe we're talking about Trump when 1 year into FJB, the world is at an end. Jesus Christ. I want Trump back NOW

see I think it's too late

Trump was an effective bulwark preventing this from happening in the first place

but now that it has happened, Trump can't put the genie back in the bottle

He can’t put the genie back in the bottle but he would unwind this bullshit and get us moving in the right direction again. It would take probably 3 years of Trump to unwind this bullshit that Biden created in one fucking year. Things might be too far gone by 2024.

we need more than Trump now

Trump is a great partisan street fighter

but this is out of his league now

[Speaker to Animals]

Unlike you, I don't have to deal with Wikipedia to get my sources. My grandfather was a Director at MITRE, one of the key R&E entities for the government since near its founding back in the late 50s.

He was one of the people on the phone waiting to see when the missiles would launch during Kennedy and Reagan. My grandfather hated Reagan because he was an actor-made politician, his words, not mine. He said the closest we ever came was during Kennedy. I trust him more than I trust you or Wikipedia.

Which source would you like me to provide you with about Operation Able Archer?

You already did, and so far people are severely disagreeing with you.

I don't think you comprehended the question because the semantics of your statement do not relate to the question. If you don't like the source I gave you, I would gladly provide you with any other. I mean, it's not some secretive thing. It's a commonly understood historical event. The only "people" disagreeing with me that it occurred is you. LOL

[Smitty-48]

again, I'm not trying to recruit anybody here

America Firster as you wanna be

but Zelenskiy is the only politician worth his salt here

so I am going with the Ukrianians,

I have to, there is no other option

as they are the only ones with the resolve to stand & fight

[SilverEagle]

see I think it's too late

Trump was an effective bulwark preventing this from happening in the first place

but now that it has happened, Trump can't put the genie back in the bottle

He can’t put the genie back in the bottle but he would unwind this bullshit and get us moving in the right direction again. It would take probably 3 years of Trump to unwind this bullshit that Biden created in one fucking year. Things might be too far gone by 2024.

we need more than Trump now

Trump is a great partisan street fighter

but this is out of his league now

We’ll if we go all Mad Max I will find some joy in hunting down Leftist Commies.

[Martin Hash]

I don’t understand why Russia hasn’t lost already? I have ZERO news saying they’re anything but sitting ducks, all dead or dying.

[Speaker to Animals]

Reagan made the Soviets back down and capitulate, he made them shit their pants

that's not a good argument against more of that from Trump

Yeah, they did do that. It's easy in hindsight to say Reagan rah rah rah they backed down and shit their pants. But this was before you were born and after the Soviet Union collapsed we found out that it nearly went the other way. So it's more like rolling a pair of dice and gloating about how you knew it was going to be seven. But you actually had a 83.4% chance it wasn't going to be seven. Gloating about a successful outcome doesn't actually make an argument about the sanity of the decision. You understand that, right?

you made the argument that it was a bad call

you presented nothing to back that up

except an example that clearly undermines your case

Able Archer FTW

running away just makes nuclear war more likely

gotta call Russia's bluff

Ivan will simply do crazier and crazier shit

until America does

you accuse the GOP of being pro-Russia,

meanwhile your Neville Chamberlain bullshit is more pro-Russia than MAGA ever dreamed of being

Ronnie Raygun made the right call, deal with it

The operation itself wasn't a bad call. It wasn't just the operation. It was everything that Reagan was doing leading up to the operation and during it. The operation itself was incidental but it just happened at a bad time, during a particularly insane period of his presidency, and the Russians got spooked.

We didn't even know they got that close to launching. It was actually spies here in the West who were pleading with the KGB in Moscow to back down and trying to explain it was just an exercise and Reagan is just a moron.

That's the danger of electing people like this.

Just like in 2020 when Trump apparently went insane and the Joint Chiefs essentially took over and handed Pence control until Biden was inaugurated. Milly went directly to his peers in China and Russia to assure them the attempted coup was over.

We obviously have a problem in that our government has no mechanism for dealing with insanity in the commander in chief other than the Joint Chiefs doing what they just did in 2020.