Meanwhile in Ukraine

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by StCapps » Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:52 am

TheOneX wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:14 pm
StCapps wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:53 am
TheOneX wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:18 pm


Yeah, the West really put way too many chips on the table for Ukraine. It was a stupid move, and anyone paying attention knew it. They lost more than Ukraine is worth.
Russia put way too many chips on the table for Ukraine

it was a stupid move and anyone paying attention knew it

they lost more than Ukraine is worth

Russia has lost far more than the West has
I agree with everything except for the bold. Both the West and Russia are going to come out of this war as losers. Russia came into this war from a position of weakness in a desperate move to get stronger. They will be coming out of this war in a position of weakness, with maybe just a slight acceleration of the future that was already known. The West on the other hand came in as the undisputed super power of the world, and got out maneuvered by Russia at every turn. That is a far bigger loss than what Russia will face. Russia has proven that Europe is reliant on Russia. That is a huge loss for the West, but will have consequences that will result in a loss for Russia too.
Europe is less reliant on Russia than it was at the start of the war

and that is trend that will accelerate in the future

yet another loss for Russia

talk about outmanuevered, womp womp
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:51 am

StCapps wrote:
Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:52 am
TheOneX wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:14 pm
StCapps wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:53 am
Russia put way too many chips on the table for Ukraine

it was a stupid move and anyone paying attention knew it

they lost more than Ukraine is worth

Russia has lost far more than the West has
I agree with everything except for the bold. Both the West and Russia are going to come out of this war as losers. Russia came into this war from a position of weakness in a desperate move to get stronger. They will be coming out of this war in a position of weakness, with maybe just a slight acceleration of the future that was already known. The West on the other hand came in as the undisputed super power of the world, and got out maneuvered by Russia at every turn. That is a far bigger loss than what Russia will face. Russia has proven that Europe is reliant on Russia. That is a huge loss for the West, but will have consequences that will result in a loss for Russia too.
Europe is less reliant on Russia than it was at the start of the war

and that is trend that will accelerate in the future

yet another loss for Russia

talk about outmanuevered, womp womp
No, Europe is still dependent on Russia, what they are doing is what every crack addict attempted to do... quit their dealer. The problem is there is no other entity willing to supply more gas.

Even though right now parts of the EU are willing to pay Russia Rubles for the oil should tell you something.

But because it's you, you'll probably spin it another way and ignore logic again.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Haumana » Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:30 am

StCapps wrote:
Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:52 am
TheOneX wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:14 pm
StCapps wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:53 am
Russia put way too many chips on the table for Ukraine

it was a stupid move and anyone paying attention knew it

they lost more than Ukraine is worth

Russia has lost far more than the West has
I agree with everything except for the bold. Both the West and Russia are going to come out of this war as losers. Russia came into this war from a position of weakness in a desperate move to get stronger. They will be coming out of this war in a position of weakness, with maybe just a slight acceleration of the future that was already known. The West on the other hand came in as the undisputed super power of the world, and got out maneuvered by Russia at every turn. That is a far bigger loss than what Russia will face. Russia has proven that Europe is reliant on Russia. That is a huge loss for the West, but will have consequences that will result in a loss for Russia too.
Europe is less reliant on Russia than it was at the start of the war

and that is trend that will accelerate in the future

yet another loss for Russia

talk about outmanuevered, womp womp
Now do the other side of the equation.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by TheOneX » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:14 am

Haumana wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:25 pm
TheOneX wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:14 pm
StCapps wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:53 am
Russia put way too many chips on the table for Ukraine

it was a stupid move and anyone paying attention knew it

they lost more than Ukraine is worth

Russia has lost far more than the West has
I agree with everything except for the bold. Both the West and Russia are going to come out of this war as losers. Russia came into this war from a position of weakness in a desperate move to get stronger. They will be coming out of this war in a position of weakness, with maybe just a slight acceleration of the future that was already known. The West on the other hand came in as the undisputed super power of the world, and got out maneuvered by Russia at every turn. That is a far bigger loss than what Russia will face. Russia has proven that Europe is reliant on Russia. That is a huge loss for the West, but will have consequences that will result in a loss for Russia too.
So you don't really agree with more than the bolded text.

Wait and see is really how the rest of this is going to have to play out.
Maybe I didn't explain it well.

Russia gained a short term advantage, but it is going to accelerate something that was already going to happen anyways. So not much has changed for Russia. In fact, it is probably something they expected to happen.

The US and Europe just got knocked down a peg by losing fossil fuels only being traded in US Dollars. That is worst case scenario for the US and Europe from this war. It opens the door for other countries to challenge the status quo of the US dollar's dominance over trade.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:17 am

Far from the worst case scenario…
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by TheOneX » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:19 am

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:17 am
Far from the worst case scenario…
If you want to get into unrealistic scenarios sure.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:43 am

Ukraine War Is Depleting America’s Arsenal ...... and it won't be replaced quickly or easily
Even worse, we’ve now learned that many of these systems are extremely difficult to replenish, requiring years of manufacturing to restore supplies. While Javelin missiles, for example, have been sent to Ukraine by the thousands, the United States can only manufacture about 1,000 units a year under current circumstances. (See below.)

Contributing to the alarming problem is the supply chain collapse that appears to be spreading rapidly, making it difficult if not impossible for weapons manufacturers to source materials and parts that are needed for their products. In addition, many weapons system suppliers are single-source suppliers, meaning there is zero redundancy in the military supply chain for that component or weapon.

Even worse, many of these single-source suppliers rely on microchips or other parts from China or Taiwan, meaning that such parts may be impossible to get during a world war.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... iding-kyiv.
https://theblogginghounds.com/2022/04/2 ... -collapse/
Having your weapons and weapon components made oversees is stupid for any nation that has the resources to do it themselves. The MBAs and PHDs from the Ivy League that make up are Deep State are functionally idiots. They can spend money, lives and weapons like crazy, but have no idea of the logistics involved in creating money, lives and weapons. Oh they can ship those resources around the globe just in time. But they can only move them and spend them, not create.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Martin Hash » Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:29 pm

I bet if we could peek behind the curtain, there’d be a lot of FMWs.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:33 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:29 pm
I bet if we could peek behind the curtain, there’d be a lot of FMWs.
We saw that with the Trump- Ukraine impeachment.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:41 pm

Jimmy Dore has some good fun with Blue and Yellow face painters.

He also makes good points, this only ends 3 ways
1. We Negotiate with Putin for an end
2. Ukraine is crushed and lost the most their valuable land.
3. Nuclear War

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