Meanwhile in Ukraine

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:05 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:02 pm
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:13 am
Honestly Putin looks like he’s calling bluffs against a pack of imbeciles - just like early Trump. They really thought they’d never have to back this shit up.
The West stole all their reserves, in gold I think. Cut them off from the entire Western economy. NATO has doubled down on war support.

Russia has nothing to lose.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:13 pm

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Interesting, I had never heard of the Khanate of Kokand before. By the map it looks like modern Kazakhstan. This is when the Ottoman Empire was figuring out it was really falling behind because of Wahhabi influence that refused to allow the industrial revolution to take foothold in the empire. It would be a great setting for a historical fiction novel.

In all this Ukraine stuff, the attempted coup in Khazakstan has been forgotten, But from what I've gathered their version of the Sec of State, backed by Western governments attempted a Color Revolution and it was put down.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:17 pm

The Conservative wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:05 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:02 pm
SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:13 am
Honestly Putin looks like he’s calling bluffs against a pack of imbeciles - just like early Trump. They really thought they’d never have to back this shit up.
The West stole all their reserves, in gold I think. Cut them off from the entire Western economy. NATO has doubled down on war support.

Russia has nothing to lose.
Link?
I saw it on a Telegram, but here was the situation at the start of the war
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Russia is saying the Western nations just stole it, and it probably went to Western Oligarchs and politicians

Here's BJ calling for action against the reserves
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_ ... -reserves/
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:25 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:17 pm
The Conservative wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:05 pm
C-Mag wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:02 pm


The West stole all their reserves, in gold I think. Cut them off from the entire Western economy. NATO has doubled down on war support.

Russia has nothing to lose.
Link?
I saw it on a Telegram, but here was the situation at the start of the war
Image

Russia is saying the Western nations just stole it, and it probably went to Western Oligarchs and politicians

Here's BJ calling for action against the reserves
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_ ... -reserves/
Ummm... I'm not a math major... but something is wrong...

The world holds by this chart: 61.6% of all of Russia's gold...

That means Russia should have 38.4%. not 21.7... that means 16.7% is where? The rest of the world?
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:36 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
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Report: Russia cut off Gas supply to Poland, Poland holding an emergency meeting.
Just a little tug on the noose. Rubles are now a reserve currency. Deal with it.

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/russia ... al-reports
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:42 pm

The Conservative wrote:
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Ummm... I'm not a math major... but something is wrong...




Pretty sure you're not a biologist either.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by The Conservative » Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:07 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:42 pm
The Conservative wrote:
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Ummm... I'm not a math major... but something is wrong...




Pretty sure you're not a biologist either.
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by C-Mag » Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:48 pm

The Biden administration would not oppose Ukraine becoming a “neutral” nation and swearing off NATO membership if that’s what Kyiv agreed to in a peace deal, Blinken said Tuesday. :think:
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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by TheOneX » Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:14 pm

StCapps wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:53 am
TheOneX wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:18 pm
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You haven’t been paying attention. There are no sanctions on Russian gas/energy. The EU realized they were slitting their own throats and backed off.

Then Putin demanded payment in rubles and they caved.

This is no longer a western-driven world. He won.
Yeah, the West really put way too many chips on the table for Ukraine. It was a stupid move, and anyone paying attention knew it. They lost more than Ukraine is worth.
Russia put way too many chips on the table for Ukraine

it was a stupid move and anyone paying attention knew it

they lost more than Ukraine is worth

Russia has lost far more than the West has
I agree with everything except for the bold. Both the West and Russia are going to come out of this war as losers. Russia came into this war from a position of weakness in a desperate move to get stronger. They will be coming out of this war in a position of weakness, with maybe just a slight acceleration of the future that was already known. The West on the other hand came in as the undisputed super power of the world, and got out maneuvered by Russia at every turn. That is a far bigger loss than what Russia will face. Russia has proven that Europe is reliant on Russia. That is a huge loss for the West, but will have consequences that will result in a loss for Russia too.

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Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine

Post by Haumana » Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:25 pm

TheOneX wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:14 pm
StCapps wrote:
Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:53 am
TheOneX wrote:
Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:18 pm


Yeah, the West really put way too many chips on the table for Ukraine. It was a stupid move, and anyone paying attention knew it. They lost more than Ukraine is worth.
Russia put way too many chips on the table for Ukraine

it was a stupid move and anyone paying attention knew it

they lost more than Ukraine is worth

Russia has lost far more than the West has
I agree with everything except for the bold. Both the West and Russia are going to come out of this war as losers. Russia came into this war from a position of weakness in a desperate move to get stronger. They will be coming out of this war in a position of weakness, with maybe just a slight acceleration of the future that was already known. The West on the other hand came in as the undisputed super power of the world, and got out maneuvered by Russia at every turn. That is a far bigger loss than what Russia will face. Russia has proven that Europe is reliant on Russia. That is a huge loss for the West, but will have consequences that will result in a loss for Russia too.
So you don't really agree with more than the bolded text.

Wait and see is really how the rest of this is going to have to play out.