Meanwhile in Ukraine

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like the entire Ukrainian strategy was for NATO to save them

but NATO has thrown them to the wolves

so now is the time to sue for terms

you'll get rid of Russian troops faster that way

once the Russians have their tap out, they will withdraw
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Smitty-48 wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:15 pm I'm not telling the Ukrainians not to fight

if they want to fight, be my guests

but that's an emotional response not a strategic one

since I'm detached from it, I have a more strategic view

live to fight another day, wait the Russians out
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The requested a general conscription, every male from 18-60 and are just handing out rifles.
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will the Russians install a proxy government in Kiev ?

sure they will

but really, what was the EU backed oligarchy doing for you anyways ?

the Russians will probably offer a better deal than the EU now, just to gain compliance
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C-Mag wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:21 pm
Smitty-48 wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:15 pm I'm not telling the Ukrainians not to fight

if they want to fight, be my guests

but that's an emotional response not a strategic one

since I'm detached from it, I have a more strategic view

live to fight another day, wait the Russians out
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The requested a general conscription, every male from 18-60 and are just handing out rifles.
rifles against airpower & artillery

yeesh
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note that the Russians have altered their doctrine to match NATO

so this is a very American style operation

they are mostly using airpower and stand off weapons

while sending a column towards Kiev to topple the government
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this is basically Operation Ukrainian Freedom

it's clearly modeled on OIF, the most advanced conventional operation to date

except there really isn't an Ukrainian Fedayeen

the Ukrainians are not the Iraqis

most of them are soft, they're not Mooslambs

once the Russians topple the government, it's over
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Chuck Holton from Kiev
Russians 15 miles outside Kiev
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C-Mag wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:49 pm Chuck Holton from Kiev
Russians 15 miles outside Kiev
again, it's very American style

the Russians switched their doctrine, copying America basically

so it's very much like the invasion of Iraq

a whole lotta airpower to provide cover for a column to dash to Kiev and topple the regime
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Yeah, to be 15 miles outside Kiev after day one is pretty impressive and Chuck Holton is no fan of Putin, but he reports what he sees.

On other sites I've seen a bunch of videos of destroyed Ukraine columns, and abandoned Ukraine equipment. Russia has cut Ukraine off from the sea, only resupply is through Eastern Europe
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C-Mag wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:16 pm Yeah, to be 15 miles outside Kiev after day one is pretty impressive and Chuck Holton is no fan of Putin, but he reports what he sees.

On other sites I've seen a bunch of videos of destroyed Ukraine columns, and abandoned Ukraine equipment. Russia has cut Ukraine off from the sea, only resupply is through Eastern Europe
they don't have to seize territory on a broad front

they have the Ukrainian military pinned down with airpower

so they just send a column from Belarus to Kiev

just like the US military does it
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