like the entire Ukrainian strategy was for NATO to save them
but NATO has thrown them to the wolves
so now is the time to sue for terms
you'll get rid of Russian troops faster that way
once the Russians have their tap out, they will withdraw
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-Smitty-48 wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:15 pm I'm not telling the Ukrainians not to fight
if they want to fight, be my guests
but that's an emotional response not a strategic one
since I'm detached from it, I have a more strategic view
live to fight another day, wait the Russians out
The requested a general conscription, every male from 18-60 and are just handing out rifles.
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will the Russians install a proxy government in Kiev ?
sure they will
but really, what was the EU backed oligarchy doing for you anyways ?
the Russians will probably offer a better deal than the EU now, just to gain compliance
sure they will
but really, what was the EU backed oligarchy doing for you anyways ?
the Russians will probably offer a better deal than the EU now, just to gain compliance
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rifles against airpower & artilleryC-Mag wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:21 pm-Smitty-48 wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:15 pm I'm not telling the Ukrainians not to fight
if they want to fight, be my guests
but that's an emotional response not a strategic one
since I'm detached from it, I have a more strategic view
live to fight another day, wait the Russians out
The requested a general conscription, every male from 18-60 and are just handing out rifles.
yeesh
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note that the Russians have altered their doctrine to match NATO
so this is a very American style operation
they are mostly using airpower and stand off weapons
while sending a column towards Kiev to topple the government
so this is a very American style operation
they are mostly using airpower and stand off weapons
while sending a column towards Kiev to topple the government
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this is basically Operation Ukrainian Freedom
it's clearly modeled on OIF, the most advanced conventional operation to date
except there really isn't an Ukrainian Fedayeen
the Ukrainians are not the Iraqis
most of them are soft, they're not Mooslambs
once the Russians topple the government, it's over
it's clearly modeled on OIF, the most advanced conventional operation to date
except there really isn't an Ukrainian Fedayeen
the Ukrainians are not the Iraqis
most of them are soft, they're not Mooslambs
once the Russians topple the government, it's over
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Chuck Holton from Kiev
Russians 15 miles outside Kiev
Russians 15 miles outside Kiev
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again, it's very American style
the Russians switched their doctrine, copying America basically
so it's very much like the invasion of Iraq
a whole lotta airpower to provide cover for a column to dash to Kiev and topple the regime
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Yeah, to be 15 miles outside Kiev after day one is pretty impressive and Chuck Holton is no fan of Putin, but he reports what he sees.
On other sites I've seen a bunch of videos of destroyed Ukraine columns, and abandoned Ukraine equipment. Russia has cut Ukraine off from the sea, only resupply is through Eastern Europe
On other sites I've seen a bunch of videos of destroyed Ukraine columns, and abandoned Ukraine equipment. Russia has cut Ukraine off from the sea, only resupply is through Eastern Europe
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they don't have to seize territory on a broad frontC-Mag wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:16 pm Yeah, to be 15 miles outside Kiev after day one is pretty impressive and Chuck Holton is no fan of Putin, but he reports what he sees.
On other sites I've seen a bunch of videos of destroyed Ukraine columns, and abandoned Ukraine equipment. Russia has cut Ukraine off from the sea, only resupply is through Eastern Europe
they have the Ukrainian military pinned down with airpower
so they just send a column from Belarus to Kiev
just like the US military does it
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