Social Justice Warriors Thread

[Martin Hash]

A “leader” gets people to do what they don’t want to.

A leader leads by example, a commander gets people to do things they don't want to.

I don’t know of any leaders by that definition; could you point one out?

[Haumana]

This needs some Smitty.

[The Conservative]

A “leader” gets people to do what they don’t want to.

A leader leads by example, a commander gets people to do things they don't want to.

I don’t know of any leaders by that definition; could you point one out?

That is why they are so rare. We don't have leaders.

[Martin Hash]

A leader leads by example, a commander gets people to do things they don't want to.

I don’t know of any leaders by that definition; could you point one out?

That is why they are so rare. We don't have leaders.

If your definition doesn’t fit anyone, why have the word? Elon Musk is certainly a leader by my definition.

[The Conservative]

I don’t know of any leaders by that definition; could you point one out?

That is why they are so rare. We don't have leaders.

If your definition doesn’t fit anyone, why have the word? Elon Musk is certainly a leader by my definition.

Elon Musk is a boss. The stories you hear about him. Tyrant would be better.

And my definition doesn't fit anyone that we know, then perhaps we should get to know better people?

The current pope is as close to a Leader that we can get. He leads by example.

Is he perfect, no, but any other out there right now would lead to a political or ideological disagreement. Some could argue Ted Cruz.

Leaders are rare, and there is a reason for it.

[Martin Hash]

If Elon Musk doesn’t qualify as a leader, or Donald Trump for that matter, I’m gonna say your definition sucks.

[TheOneX]

Donald Trump might have some of the right policies, he might be the just one of the very few politicians trying to do right by Americans, but he is not a very good leader. If he was a good leader he would not have lost even a rigged election.

There are a lot of good leaders out there, just not very many of them choose to go into politics. Right now we are suffering from a time of extended peace and prosperity. Peace and prosperity makes you soft, and makes your politicians soft. When you have peace and prosperity those who are best for the job of political leader tend to not be motivated to become a politician. The ugliness of politics isn't worth it. So you end up with a bunch of power hungry egomaniacs bureaucrats running the show.

I think Trump, in a way, recognized this, and is attempting to change things. The problem is he is a businessman and TV personality, not a leader. So even though he is making the right decisions, instead of being able to pull this country together, he instead makes himself a polarizing character. That may not be a bad thing, sometimes the only way to make the need for change apparent is by introducing a polarizing character that shakes things up and exposes the issues and flaws that need fixed. I would say view Trump as John the Baptist. He is there to lay the foundations for a true leader to come in and be the "savior".

[The Conservative]

If Elon Musk doesn’t qualify as a leader, or Donald Trump for that matter, I’m gonna say your definition sucks.

Trump has leadership personalities, but he's not a leader. If he was, he would have gotten the RNC and DNC to work together.

He is the president we needed, but he is not true leadership material.

Trump is a commander. And not in title only.

This is the problem, too many people think because you are rich and famous, you are a leader. By that definition Steve Jobs was a leader.

I met Steve Jobs; he was a boss, with a superiority complex.

You fall into that as well to some extent; I am not afraid to say. You fall somewhat into the commander zone too

Living your life saying you are better than everyone else is not leadership material. Rising people up with your influence and helping them succeed, taking them under your wing when no one else would, and showing them how to make it, even if they surpass you, is a leader.

[Martin Hash]

Dude, you’re way too mystical for me. I gave up on religion and people telling me they know better.

[The Conservative]

Dude, you’re way too mystical for me. I gave up on religion and people telling me they know better.

Yeah, but you haven't gotten away from saying you know better than others. We know you are smart, but a leader doesn't laud it over people's heads... they use that ability to help others under them to succeed.