Does Obama Get Indicted?

[clubgop]

are you aware of any of this monte? if not,
why not?







^^the entire article is worth reading

nothing?

as i've said, i don't think obama goes to jail. doesn't negate the fact that #obamagate is a real thing. response?

Sorry Mike, I'm at my juggling convention all this week so I couldn't be bothered to read it. If you'd laid out what you thought were chargeable offences first I might have read the article and responded.

Juggling? Is that what you call being a massive hypocrite bitch suffering from TDS? I guess if the clown shoe fits wear it.

[pineapplemike]

response?

The outgoing administration was concerned that someone they deemed was unreliable, and potentially speaking out of school with a somewhat hostile foreign diplomat, had been tapped by the incoming administration for a high office.

Where's the 'gate,' bruh?

is that what they deemed?

Documents previously released and declassified showed that the FBI never possessed any evidence that Flynn was a secret Russian agent or that he had broken any laws. An FBI electronic communication closing the agency’s counterintelligence investigation against him, which was dated Jan. 4, made clear that “no derogatory information” about Flynn had been obtained during the months-long investigation of Flynn.

The Department of Justice (DOJ) recently determined that an ambush FBI interview of Flynn, which later formed the foundation of former Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s single charge against Flynn, had no legal basis.

Following the interview agent Pientka then took his hand-written notes and generated an official FD-302; an FBI report of the interview itself. There has been a great deal of debate over the first draft, the original FD-302 as it was written by Joe Pientka. In the case against Flynn the DOJ prosecutors never presented the original Pientka 302.

The Flynn 302 was edited by Page and Strzok on February 10th. The 302 was changed and altered to match the FBI claims of a discrepancy. Flynn was fired on Feb 13th. The Flynn 302 was debated again on Feb 14th and entered into the record on February 15th.

side note

The [Mueller] SCO claimed they couldn’t turn over the FD-302 because it would “reveal” parts of their overall Russia interference investigation. But even the edited version of the Jan 24, 2017 interview shows Flynn wasn’t asked about Russian interference or anything remotely like Collusion

there are multiple other points along this timeline with more detail but i grow weary of reiterating them here. it's going to take a certain amount of curiosity from HM and monte to push this coversation further

a few links to consider in addition to the link i posted previously

https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnWHuber/s ... 7127599106
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 ... ssion=true
https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/21/ho ... get-trump/

[Montegriffo]

nothing?

as i've said, i don't think obama goes to jail. doesn't negate the fact that #obamagate is a real thing. response?

Sorry Mike, I'm at my juggling convention all this week so I couldn't be bothered to read it. If you'd laid out what you thought were chargeable offences first I might have read the article and responded.

Juggling? Is that what you call being a massive hypocrite bitch suffering from TDS? I guess if the clown shoe fits wear it.

How is an online juggling convention being a hypocrite?
Other than possible computer viruses it is perfectly safe.
There has been no lifting of restrictions on mass gatherings here. Festivals will be amongst the very last things to return to normal.

[The Conservative]

Sorry Mike, I'm at my juggling convention all this week so I couldn't be bothered to read it. If you'd laid out what you thought were chargeable offences first I might have read the article and responded.

Juggling? Is that what you call being a massive hypocrite bitch suffering from TDS? I guess if the clown shoe fits wear it.

How is an online juggling convention being a hypocrite?
Other than possible computer viruses it is perfectly safe.
There has been no lifting of restrictions on mass gatherings here. Festivals will be amongst the very last things to return to normal.

It's called multitasking, something you don't seem great at.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

there are multiple other points along this timeline with more detail but i grow weary of reiterating them here. it's going to take a certain amount of curiosity from HM and monte to push this coversation further

Your posts all make excellent arguments for dropping the case against Flynn. They do not, however, provide any evidence that it was illegal for the previous administration to try to build a case against Flynn.

I know this is a hard concept for you manichaeans to grok, but try to hold the simple idea in your mind that the Obama administration and the Trump administration were both acting well within their remit.

[Montegriffo]

Juggling? Is that what you call being a massive hypocrite bitch suffering from TDS? I guess if the clown shoe fits wear it.

How is an online juggling convention being a hypocrite?
Other than possible computer viruses it is perfectly safe.
There has been no lifting of restrictions on mass gatherings here. Festivals will be amongst the very last things to return to normal.

It's called multitasking, something you don't seem great at.

Multitasking you say...



Is spinning and balancing 3 basketballs at once enough multitasking for you burger boy?

How about chin balance, throwing and catching a top hat all at once?



Multitasking is my thang...

[Montegriffo]

I can also do the basketball on a pole chin balance while juggling 3 clubs standing on a roller-boller.

A roller-boller for those who don't know...

[pineapplemike]

there are multiple other points along this timeline with more detail but i grow weary of reiterating them here. it's going to take a certain amount of curiosity from HM and monte to push this coversation further

Your posts all make excellent arguments for dropping the case against Flynn. They do not, however, provide any evidence that it was illegal for the previous administration to try to build a case against Flynn.

I know this is a hard concept for you manichaeans to grok, but try to hold the simple idea in your mind that the Obama administration and the Trump administration were both acting well within their remit.

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/c ... idence.htm

tampering with evidence by editing 302 documents to frame an innocent party is a crime as far as i know. perhaps we need a lawyer to input further. where's fife?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

tampering with evidence by editing 302 documents to frame an innocent party is a crime as far as i know. perhaps we need a lawyer to input further. where's fife?

The Justice Department summarizes the defense as follows in the Criminal Resource Manual:

The Supreme Court has never held that the government's mere use of undercover agents or informants, or the use of deception by them, gives rise to a due process violation, although in Russell it left open that possibility. The requisite level of outrageousness could be reached only where government conduct is so fundamentally unfair as to be "shocking to the universal sense of justice." Id. at 432. No court of appeals has held that a predisposed defendant may establish a due process violation simply because he purportedly was induced to commit the crime by an undercover agent or informant. See, e.g., United States v. Pedraza, 27 F.3d 1515, 1521 (10th Cir.) (not outrageous for government "to infiltrate an ongoing criminal enterprise, or to induce a defendant to repeat, continue, or even expand criminal activity."), cert. denied, 115 S. Ct. 347 (1994).

...

In fact, the Flynn interview gave Flynn every opportunity to tell the truth. As the FBI’s partially redacted memo documenting Flynn’s interview reflects, the questions were careful. They were specific. The agents, as Strzok later recalled in a formal FBI interview of his own, planned to try to jog Flynn’s memory if he said he could not remember a detail by using the exact words they knew he had used in his conversation with Kislyak. And Flynn, as he admitted in open court—twice—did not tell the truth. That is not entrapment or a set-up, and it is very far indeed from outrageous government conduct. It’s conducting an interview—and a witness at the highest levels of government lying in it.

The second batch of documents produced by Jensen and released on April 30 contains a draft FBI memo closing Flynn’s case (which was never finalized), along with an internal FBI email chain and what appear to be internal FBI text messages or instant messages. It appears that the FBI drafted a memo to close the case on Flynn, a memo that is dated Jan. 4, 2017, but was likely written earlier. But FBI leadership then decided to keep the case open.

I am not sure editing documents and memos internally before being finalized counts as "tampering with evidence." People edit official documents before finalizing and submitting them all the time.

It is also clear that law enforcement is absolutely allowed to use some level of deception when coming at a suspect, and that there is a high bar for showing criminal malfeasance. In this case, especially given the fact that Flynn was given every opportunity to be truthful, the existence of a "suprise" FBI investigation is unlikely to fall under the rubric of criminality.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/flynn-redux ... eally-show

[pineapplemike]

problem being the agent interviewing him is on record describing his interview as truthful. is that what the finalized 302 says after being edited for over two weeks, with corroborating evidence of texts between strzok and page indicating their biased effort to muddle up the file?