Everyone saying the lockdown must remain until we can do 100% contact tracing and/or have a vaccine is disagreeing.Montegriffo wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 3:07 am
I'm not sure who you think is disagreeing with what you are saying here. No one is suggesting that anyone but the most at risk should remain in lockdown until a vaccine or cure is found. The point of the lockdown is to reduce the rate of infection to a ''safe'' level.
This is where you're naive. Every lockdown comes with an expiration date, known as "when people stop complying". If you believe humans are going to wait for a bunch talking heads to give the 'ok' before they emerge from lockdown you've much to learn about the human condition.As for setting an end date, however, you can't just pick some arbitrary timespan for ending the lockdown. It has to be dependent on factors such as the rate of infection, ICU capacity, availability of PPE and ability to test and contract trace etc.
And this is where you go completely off the rails with your Euro-trade-freedom-for-security talk. No, we don't have to sacrifice any freedoms. Businesses can set their mask/gloves requirements as they see fit, and people are free to frequent hose businesses or not. See how easy that is? Safety enforced, freedom maintained. As far as freedom ending when you endanger others - I notice that's not the case at all. How many single mothers endanger the financial security of others by having yet another child they can't provide for? Yet we don't jail them. How many obese people in the UK endanger the solvency of the NHS with their self-inflicted health issues? Yet I see no fatty jails.Whether you like it or not the world has changed and you are going to have to get used to the ''new normal'' and if that means compromising on a few ''freedoms'' like being made to wear a mask in certain high-risk situations then that's what you are going to have to do.
You can rail all you like about the constitution but your right to do what you want ends at the point where you endanger others.
So it seems people are allowed to behave in ways that endanger others all the time. You simply prefer to pick and choose which people and behaviors fall under the umbrella of "we must compromise freedom because others are endangered".