I have tried. Twice in the last 3 days alone I've talked about the conditions necessary to relax the shutdown and both times it resulted in zero discussion from anyone in a rush to open up the economyHanarchy Montanarchy wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 9:43 amHave the godamn discussion then. Every time opening up the economy comes up, the response is invariably: not yet.Montegriffo wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 9:39 am...and when any discussion about the conditions needed before the economy can be reopened safely is ignored or met with accusations of wanting to deliberately damage the economy you have to look at the motivation of those who would put money over lives.DBTrek wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 9:28 am
Sure looks that way when any attempt to discuss reopening the economy is met with vitriol and accusations of wanting everyone to die.
That's not how reasonable, well-intentioned, honest people respond to discussions.
So . . . we must look for the most likely motives that drive such responses, Occam's Razor style.
When asked when, the response is: don't know.
When asked what it would take, the response is: we need tests.
End of discussion. No plan in sight.
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Certain conditions need to be met first. The rate of infection needs to be low enough, the health service needs to be in a position where it is not in danger of being overwhelmed, PPE needs to be widely available and the reason for it's use needs to be understood. Most of all there needs to be enough capacity to test, track and contain any new outbreaks of the disease.
We are not there yet.
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No, Boris is listening to his advisors and not prepared to talk about dates until the 5 conditions for a safe end to the shutdown have been met.
1: The NHS has the capacity to provide critical care right across the UK.
2: A sustained and consistent fall in daily deaths from coronavirus.
3: The rate of infection has decreased to manageable levels across the board.
4: Operational challenges including testing and PPE are in hand, with supply able to meet future demand.
5: Confidence that any adjustments to the current measures will not risk a second peak of infections (that overwhelms the NHS)
The WHO recommends 6 conditions.
1. Disease transmission is under control
2. Health systems are able to "detect, test, isolate and treat every case and trace every contact"
3. Hot spot risks are minimized in vulnerable places, such as nursing homes
4. Schools, workplaces and other essential places have established preventive measures
5. The risk of importing new cases "can be managed"
6. Communities are fully educated, engaged and empowered to live under a new normal