W.H.O. (are you), WHO WHO

[Smitty-48]

Sanctimony is the handmaiden of egalitarianism.

I'm not trying to sound sanctimonious Martin, and I'm sorry.

My version of it is "Everybody in Canada has a sob story"

[GloryofGreece]

Two of my buddies got laid off. They have kids. They do not know what the fuck they are going to do. Like I would rather roll the dice, get the flu for 2 weeks and have a super high chance of survival than have to deal with losing my livelihood and being assfucked for the next several years looking for work having to sell cars/get into vicious fights with my wife and family over financial troubles.

We are going to have to weigh this out as a nation. The reaction may have been worse than the virus. Hard to say.

Experts and shit posters are all guessing. I guess maybe by winter we can make some educated guesses and conclusions about what we should have done.

[GloryofGreece]

If you can stay home stay home seems prudent. Even while in the thick of all the misinformation . In other news McAfee was on the myths podcast

[Smitty-48]

Two of my buddies got laid off. They have kids. They do not know what the fuck they are going to do. Like I would rather roll the dice, get the flu for 2 weeks and have a super high chance of survival than have to deal with losing my livelihood and being assfucked for the next several years looking for work having to sell cars/get into vicious fights with my wife and family over financial troubles.

We are going to have to weigh this out as a nation. The reaction may have been worse than the virus. Hard to say.

Experts and shit posters are all guessing. I guess maybe by winter we can make some educated guesses and conclusions about what we should have done.

in the meantime, fight the war in real time

save yourself to save the republic

go all out just in case, if it turns out to be best case scenario, it was good training

[Montegriffo]

It's during times of widespread economic hardships that one might learn to appreciate the safety net of a strong welfare system.
I don't suppose the muh roads clan will be turning down government assistance if they find themselves out of work for a few months this year.

[Smitty-48]

It's during times of widespread economic hardships that one might learn to appreciate the safety net of a strong welfare system.
I don't suppose the muh roads clan will be turning down government assistance if they find themselves out of work for a few months this year.

Work is bullshit, jobs are jails, unemployment for everybody not just the rich

I don't need a job, I work for Dorothy Gale

[heydaralon]

It's during times of widespread economic hardships that one might learn to appreciate the safety net of a strong welfare system.
I don't suppose the muh roads clan will be turning down government assistance if they find themselves out of work for a few months this year.

Not really. I'd rather just not have the government locking down and sabotaging small businesses and the people who pay for these welfare systems because its possible that some 81 year old diabetic will die. And just having everyone on welfare forever is not sustainable. If anything, this covid shit will probably force the government to make some very tough decisions about means tested programs and who gets them. I've talked to a girl in my area who has been trying to apply for food stamps and the website is crashing because so many folks are doing it.

[Montegriffo]

It's the prioritising of the economy over any public health concerns that I find the most troubling.
My suspicious mind is led to believe that reelection in November is his primary motivation.

It may be that Trump's motivation was saving his own hide. In fact, knowing anything about Trump, it probably was. That doesn't make it the wrong decision.

Hind sight is 20/20, but in the moment, I don't think prioritizing the economy was wrong. In fact, I still think the economic fallout might be so bad that it will make trying to save 500,000 people, many of whom are already chronically ill, will seem silly. Its possible, and not knowing anything about a novel virus, by definition, prioritizing the economy for any reason is a sensible thing to do.

I hear this bullshit at work too, prioritizing the economy by Bernie types. The economy is very fucking important Monte. The reason that we can keep the insanely expensive healthcare appparatus in place that will pay for all these COVID victims comes from the economy. The Healthcare systems you pay for with your tax dollars require revenue from (you guessed it!) taxpayers. People with jobs who are taxed. For that equation to work, you need money coming in. Grocery stores are part of the economy. People need to be able to work so they can buy things like food to eat while they are quarantined.

You realize that most small businesses are not profitable for the first few years right? Some folks spend decades of their lives saving scrimping and clawing to get one off the ground. Their margins are not as fat as you think. You probably think that they can just close for a few months and then open right back up no problem. Bull. Shit. It doesn't work that way, bills, insurance, mortgage, car payments, and children are fucking expensive and they don't stop because great grandma got the China cold. This is going to fuck up a lot of folks who spent huge portions of their lives putting all they had into their business to say nothing of their workers. The economy is the reason that you have a fucking healthcare system and all those social programs you like and aren't begging for rice with bugs crawling out of your ass.

I don't want anyone to die from this either, but destroying the livelihood of millions of Americans to say nothing of the restricting of their liberties and movements to protect a bunch of 80 year olds is a very fucking selfish way of looking at things imo. The elderly should do what they can to protect themselves, but we are going to be of zero help to them if we can't provide them with financial support.

Suggesting that total economic collapse is going to result from a couple of months of closing down nonessential businesses unable to comply with social distancing recommendations might be considered an overreaction.
Don't forget that those 80 year olds have spent a lifetime working to build the economy you are so keen to protect at their expense.

[heydaralon]

It may be that Trump's motivation was saving his own hide. In fact, knowing anything about Trump, it probably was. That doesn't make it the wrong decision.

Hind sight is 20/20, but in the moment, I don't think prioritizing the economy was wrong. In fact, I still think the economic fallout might be so bad that it will make trying to save 500,000 people, many of whom are already chronically ill, will seem silly. Its possible, and not knowing anything about a novel virus, by definition, prioritizing the economy for any reason is a sensible thing to do.

I hear this bullshit at work too, prioritizing the economy by Bernie types. The economy is very fucking important Monte. The reason that we can keep the insanely expensive healthcare appparatus in place that will pay for all these COVID victims comes from the economy. The Healthcare systems you pay for with your tax dollars require revenue from (you guessed it!) taxpayers. People with jobs who are taxed. For that equation to work, you need money coming in. Grocery stores are part of the economy. People need to be able to work so they can buy things like food to eat while they are quarantined.

You realize that most small businesses are not profitable for the first few years right? Some folks spend decades of their lives saving scrimping and clawing to get one off the ground. Their margins are not as fat as you think. You probably think that they can just close for a few months and then open right back up no problem. Bull. Shit. It doesn't work that way, bills, insurance, mortgage, car payments, and children are fucking expensive and they don't stop because great grandma got the China cold. This is going to fuck up a lot of folks who spent huge portions of their lives putting all they had into their business to say nothing of their workers. The economy is the reason that you have a fucking healthcare system and all those social programs you like and aren't begging for rice with bugs crawling out of your ass.

I don't want anyone to die from this either, but destroying the livelihood of millions of Americans to say nothing of the restricting of their liberties and movements to protect a bunch of 80 year olds is a very fucking selfish way of looking at things imo. The elderly should do what they can to protect themselves, but we are going to be of zero help to them if we can't provide them with financial support.

Suggesting that total economic collapse is going to result from a couple of months of closing down nonessential businesses unable to comply with social distancing recommendations might be considered an overreaction.
Don't forget that those 80 year olds have spent a lifetime working to build the economy you are so keen to protect at their expense.

Nothing is stopping them from staying indoors and taking precautions Monte.

[heydaralon]

It's during times of widespread economic hardships that one might learn to appreciate the safety net of a strong welfare system.
I don't suppose the muh roads clan will be turning down government assistance if they find themselves out of work for a few months this year.

Work is bullshit, jobs are jails, unemployment for everybody not just the rich

I don't need a job, I work for Dorothy Gale

Well, I aint you. I do need a job. And it is what it is. I hope one day I don't, but that's far down the road. Your way of life is sustainable because of the economy.