Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:10 pm

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Hey, I’m not the only one who finds this forum to reject accomplishment & expertise. I suggested that it’s because everyone thinks they can do what I did if they just had the time/money/inclination/luck; and no one disagreed. We’re all experts in everything; Google makes it so.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Martin Hash » Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:15 pm

BTW, I just published a mystery novel. I think it’s excellent but unless I become famous, it means nothing. Anyone could write a book and not get famous - even you.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by heydaralon » Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:57 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:08 pm
Hey, I’m not the only one who finds this forum to reject accomplishment & expertise. I suggested that it’s because everyone thinks they can do what I did if they just had the time/money/inclination/luck; and no one disagreed. We’re all experts in everything; Google makes it so.
I would not hope to win a debate on the law, engineering, medicine, or anything like that against you Martin.

I would happily concede that your knowledge in those subjects is far more than mine will ever be.

What creeps me out is leftists attempt to defer to experts in an attempt to control personal freedom and autonomy and assume everyone will just give up entire ways of life and liberties. Curiously, they often ignore equally qualified experts who offer different opinions. Expertise is not monolithic. In fact, it is often diametrically opposed. Even the smartest experts and their institutions routinely get proven to be ineffective at anticipating and dealing with Black Swans. 2008 Banking gives a great example of this. IMF restructuring of Third World Countries and the utter disaster that followed gives another. The U.N. is full of experts in both diplomacy and global strategy and even with a nuclear backed security council they could not stop Africans in the 90's from hacking each other to death with machetes. The Best and the Brightest is a book about the experts of the Vietnam war. Didn't work out too well for them.

Its almost as if Science has become politcized and is being used to further political aims. You yourself have posted many proofs that this is occuring with Climate Change Alarmism and how even expert models are completely tainted.

This does not even take into account the lying factor. Experts frequently lie to the public, because they are not in some pristine intectual vacuum above the clamor and din of politics. They are just as much a part of it as we are. We have seen many Health Organizations lie through their teeth to the public about the efficacy of masks and withhold information because they didn't want a panic. Smart=/= Trustworthy or having the same interests as you.

I trust that experts in most cases are more knowledgeble than me, but I do not trust that they know what is best for me. I will be happy in listening to their tips, but I want the ability to make choices, good or bad.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by heydaralon » Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:01 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:15 pm
BTW, I just published a mystery novel. I think it’s excellent but unless I become famous, it means nothing. Anyone could write a book and not get famous - even you.
link please. I'd like to read it.


I am also writing a book Martin. Its in the early early stages, but I am kind of excited. Not expecting to monotize it. It won't be a good book, but I am enjoying myself so far. I may pm you for some tips if you don't mind.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Martin Hash » Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:13 pm

heydaralon wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:57 pm
Martin Hash wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:08 pm
Hey, I’m not the only one who finds this forum to reject accomplishment & expertise. I suggested that it’s because everyone thinks they can do what I did if they just had the time/money/inclination/luck; and no one disagreed. We’re all experts in everything; Google makes it so.
I would not hope to win a debate on the law, engineering, medicine, or anything like that against you Martin.

I would happily concede that your knowledge in those subjects is far more than mine will ever be.

What creeps me out is leftists attempt to defer to experts in an attempt to control personal freedom and autonomy and assume everyone will just give up entire ways of life and liberties. Curiously, they often ignore equally qualified experts who offer different opinions. Expertise is not monolithic. In fact, it is often diametrically opposed. Even the smartest experts and their institutions routinely get proven to be ineffective at anticipating and dealing with Black Swans. 2008 Banking gives a great example of this. IMF restructuring of Third World Countries and the utter disaster that followed gives another. The U.N. is full of experts in both diplomacy and global strategy and even with a nuclear backed security council they could not stop Africans in the 90's from hacking each other to death with machetes. The Best and the Brightest is a book about the experts of the Vietnam war. Didn't work out too well for them.

Its almost as if Science has become politcized and is being used to further political aims. You yourself have posted many proofs that this is occuring with Climate Change Alarmism and how even expert models are completely tainted.

This does not even take into account the lying factor. Experts frequently lie to the public, because they are not in some pristine intectual vacuum above the clamor and din of politics. They are just as much a part of it as we are. We have seen many Health Organizations lie through their teeth to the public about the efficacy of masks and withhold information because they didn't want a panic. Smart=/= Trustworthy or having the same interests as you.

I trust that experts in most cases are more knowledgeble than me, but I do not trust that they know what is best for me. I will be happy in listening to their tips, but I want the ability to make choices, good or bad.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Martin Hash » Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:19 pm

heydaralon wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:01 pm
Martin Hash wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:15 pm
BTW, I just published a mystery novel. I think it’s excellent but unless I become famous, it means nothing. Anyone could write a book and not get famous - even you.
link please. I'd like to read it.


I am also writing a book Martin. Its in the early early stages, but I am kind of excited. Not expecting to monotize it. It won't be a good book, but I am enjoying myself so far. I may pm you for some tips if you don't mind.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by heydaralon » Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:25 pm

Martin Hash wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:19 pm
heydaralon wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:01 pm
Martin Hash wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:15 pm
BTW, I just published a mystery novel. I think it’s excellent but unless I become famous, it means nothing. Anyone could write a book and not get famous - even you.
link please. I'd like to read it.


I am also writing a book Martin. Its in the early early stages, but I am kind of excited. Not expecting to monotize it. It won't be a good book, but I am enjoying myself so far. I may pm you for some tips if you don't mind.
Masihiya
Holy shit! Great setting for a plot.

I ordered a paperback copy of it (I try to avoid kindle if I can. I enjoy the feel of the paper in my hands). Amazon said it will be delivered by April 24. I will keep you posted once I start it.

Once I get further along in my book project I will probably message you for some advice.

Thanks for the recommendation!
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by StCapps » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:10 pm

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:49 pm
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Technocracy is literally rule by " experts" well Communsit were very much into so called science , expertise, new man mumbo jumbo. Our technocrats are scientism run a muck. they like the Communsit believe in perfecting man and measuring everything even things that cannot be measured . Both are utopians and misguided.
Expertise doesn't mean scientific expertise, and Communistic claims of scientific materialism as applied to government certainly doesn't destroy the concept of expertise.

Frankly, all this mistrust of the very concept of expertise and elite skill sounds like the sort of leveling of the human experience Communists are known for.
Expertise and elite skill only go so far, overestimating them leads to the sort of leveling of the human experience Communists are known for

It is not mistrust of meritocracy as a concept, far from it, it's just that credentials and merit do not always align

Central planning by experts is not an acceptable substitute for liberty, and when the experts try to pretend it is, that is usually when most of the problem occurs, and it occurs quite often

To wit, The Best and The Brightest are overrated, especially when they think imposing central planning is a good idea, just because an expert is doing the planning
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by GloryofGreece » Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:32 pm

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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Haumana » Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:54 pm

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