No, you have to have a mandate in a democracy, the governments moved as fast the publics were prepared to accept at that moment, the public being the market forcesMontegriffo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:50 amThe same inactions seen everywhere. Procurement of medical equipment, stopping flights, social distancing, banning mass gatherings and so on were all applied too late.C-Mag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:13 amWhat inactions are you seeingMontegriffo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:50 am
I'm not seeing errors from the experts in your timeline, only inaction from politicians.
The main failure of experts seems to be in persuading politicians to act quickly enough.
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I see the truth in that. Certain politicians have been contradicting the advice of their experts and dragging their heels though.Smitty-48 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:56 amNo, you have to have a mandate in a democracy, the governments moved as fast the publics were prepared to accept at that moment, the public being the market forcesMontegriffo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:50 amThe same inactions seen everywhere. Procurement of medical equipment, stopping flights, social distancing, banning mass gatherings and so on were all applied too late.
The main failure of experts seems to be in persuading politicians to act quickly enough.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Not at all, because the experts are giving the politicians different takes, so the politicians don't know who to listen to. Both the experts and politicians are fucking this up, though not all of them.Montegriffo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:50 amThe main failure of experts seems to be in persuading politicians to act quickly enough.
Your "Best and The Brightest" bias just leads you giving the "experts" a pass for the things you malign politicians for, but you are far too trusting of people with shiny credentials, even when they are clearly fucking up really badly. Where as you inherently distrust politicians, which you should, but that doesn't mean their biggest problem is not listening to the experts, because they are all listening to experts, just not the experts you prefer.
But most of all, their biggest problem is they are listening to the SIFCLF public, who misguidedly believe the experts all agree with them.
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Blame games are pointless,Montegriffo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:00 amI see the truth in that. Certain politicians have been contradicting the advice of their experts and dragging their heels though.Smitty-48 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:56 amNo, you have to have a mandate in a democracy, the governments moved as fast the publics were prepared to accept at that moment, the public being the market forcesMontegriffo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:50 am
The same inactions seen everywhere. Procurement of medical equipment, stopping flights, social distancing, banning mass gatherings and so on were all applied too late.
The main failure of experts seems to be in persuading politicians to act quickly enough.
that's just people who do not realize that they are in the fog of war and so nobody is actually in control
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It's like saying that the Allies were not prepared for the Blitzkrieg at Sedan
That's right, they weren't
So what ?
That's right, they weren't
So what ?
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We've had our practice runs before though.
Some countries did build up stocks of PPE but most did not replace kit as it went out of date.
Nobody, with the possible exceptions of South Korea and Germany, had the infrastructure to produce tests and the lab's to process them.
This may be a new virus but viruses are hardly new.
This isn't the difference between the Somme and Sedan, this is the difference between Iwo Jima and Inchon. Except Inchon learned from the amphibious attacks of WWII and we have not learned from SARS, MERS, H1N1, Swine Flu etc.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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I don't even fucking care, I just run my own opMontegriffo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:14 amWe've had our practice runs before though.
Some countries did build up stocks of PPE but most did not replace kit as it went out of date.
Nobody, with the possible exceptions of South Korea and Germany, had the infrastructure to produce tests and the lab's to process them.
This may be a new virus but viruses are hardly new.
This isn't the difference between the Somme and Sedan, this is the difference between Iwo Jima and Inchon. Except Inchon learned from the amphibious attacks of WWII and we have not learned from SARS, MERS, H1N1, Swine Flu etc.
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The WHO did not follow their own scale for Pandemics. Their own Situation reports show that. They waited until March 11th to declare a pandemic.Montegriffo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:50 amThe same inactions seen everywhere. Procurement of medical equipment, stopping flights, social distancing, banning mass gatherings and so on were all applied too late.C-Mag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:13 amWhat inactions are you seeingMontegriffo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:50 am
I'm not seeing errors from the experts in your timeline, only inaction from politicians.
The main failure of experts seems to be in persuading politicians to act quickly enough.
The CDC couldn't produce a working test kit early on.
The NHI have been all over the map on their predictions.
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Without blame, there can be no reform.Smitty-48 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:16 amI don't even fucking care, I just run my own opMontegriffo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:14 amWe've had our practice runs before though.
Some countries did build up stocks of PPE but most did not replace kit as it went out of date.
Nobody, with the possible exceptions of South Korea and Germany, had the infrastructure to produce tests and the lab's to process them.
This may be a new virus but viruses are hardly new.
This isn't the difference between the Somme and Sedan, this is the difference between Iwo Jima and Inchon. Except Inchon learned from the amphibious attacks of WWII and we have not learned from SARS, MERS, H1N1, Swine Flu etc.
My main interest at the brink in a war; is petite brunette with just the right amount of puppy fat and a nicely trimmed little muff in her panties
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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A pox on all reformers, the road to dysfunction is paved with their misguided central planningMontegriffo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:24 amWithout blame, there can be no reform.Smitty-48 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:16 amI don't even fucking care, I just run my own opMontegriffo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:14 am
We've had our practice runs before though.
Some countries did build up stocks of PPE but most did not replace kit as it went out of date.
Nobody, with the possible exceptions of South Korea and Germany, had the infrastructure to produce tests and the lab's to process them.
This may be a new virus but viruses are hardly new.
This isn't the difference between the Somme and Sedan, this is the difference between Iwo Jima and Inchon. Except Inchon learned from the amphibious attacks of WWII and we have not learned from SARS, MERS, H1N1, Swine Flu etc.
My main interest at the brink in a war; is petite brunette with just the right amount of puppy fat and a nicely trimmed little muff in her panties
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