Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:56 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:50 am
C-Mag wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:13 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:50 am

I'm not seeing errors from the experts in your timeline, only inaction from politicians.
What inactions are you seeing
The same inactions seen everywhere. Procurement of medical equipment, stopping flights, social distancing, banning mass gatherings and so on were all applied too late.
The main failure of experts seems to be in persuading politicians to act quickly enough.
No, you have to have a mandate in a democracy, the governments moved as fast the publics were prepared to accept at that moment, the public being the market forces
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Montegriffo » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:00 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:56 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:50 am
C-Mag wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:13 am


What inactions are you seeing
The same inactions seen everywhere. Procurement of medical equipment, stopping flights, social distancing, banning mass gatherings and so on were all applied too late.
The main failure of experts seems to be in persuading politicians to act quickly enough.
No, you have to have a mandate in a democracy, the governments moved as fast the publics were prepared to accept at that moment, the public being the market forces
I see the truth in that. Certain politicians have been contradicting the advice of their experts and dragging their heels though.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by StCapps » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:39 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:50 am
The main failure of experts seems to be in persuading politicians to act quickly enough.
Not at all, because the experts are giving the politicians different takes, so the politicians don't know who to listen to. Both the experts and politicians are fucking this up, though not all of them.

Your "Best and The Brightest" bias just leads you giving the "experts" a pass for the things you malign politicians for, but you are far too trusting of people with shiny credentials, even when they are clearly fucking up really badly. Where as you inherently distrust politicians, which you should, but that doesn't mean their biggest problem is not listening to the experts, because they are all listening to experts, just not the experts you prefer.

But most of all, their biggest problem is they are listening to the SIFCLF public, who misguidedly believe the experts all agree with them.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:42 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:00 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:56 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:50 am


The same inactions seen everywhere. Procurement of medical equipment, stopping flights, social distancing, banning mass gatherings and so on were all applied too late.
The main failure of experts seems to be in persuading politicians to act quickly enough.
No, you have to have a mandate in a democracy, the governments moved as fast the publics were prepared to accept at that moment, the public being the market forces
I see the truth in that. Certain politicians have been contradicting the advice of their experts and dragging their heels though.
Blame games are pointless,

that's just people who do not realize that they are in the fog of war and so nobody is actually in control
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:44 am

It's like saying that the Allies were not prepared for the Blitzkrieg at Sedan

That's right, they weren't

So what ?
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Montegriffo » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:14 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:44 am
It's like saying that the Allies were not prepared for the Blitzkrieg at Sedan

That's right, they weren't

So what ?
We've had our practice runs before though.
Some countries did build up stocks of PPE but most did not replace kit as it went out of date.
Nobody, with the possible exceptions of South Korea and Germany, had the infrastructure to produce tests and the lab's to process them.
This may be a new virus but viruses are hardly new.
This isn't the difference between the Somme and Sedan, this is the difference between Iwo Jima and Inchon. Except Inchon learned from the amphibious attacks of WWII and we have not learned from SARS, MERS, H1N1, Swine Flu etc.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:16 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:14 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:44 am
It's like saying that the Allies were not prepared for the Blitzkrieg at Sedan

That's right, they weren't

So what ?
We've had our practice runs before though.
Some countries did build up stocks of PPE but most did not replace kit as it went out of date.
Nobody, with the possible exceptions of South Korea and Germany, had the infrastructure to produce tests and the lab's to process them.
This may be a new virus but viruses are hardly new.
This isn't the difference between the Somme and Sedan, this is the difference between Iwo Jima and Inchon. Except Inchon learned from the amphibious attacks of WWII and we have not learned from SARS, MERS, H1N1, Swine Flu etc.
I don't even fucking care, I just run my own op

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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by C-Mag » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:23 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:50 am
C-Mag wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:13 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:50 am

I'm not seeing errors from the experts in your timeline, only inaction from politicians.
What inactions are you seeing
The same inactions seen everywhere. Procurement of medical equipment, stopping flights, social distancing, banning mass gatherings and so on were all applied too late.
The main failure of experts seems to be in persuading politicians to act quickly enough.
The WHO did not follow their own scale for Pandemics. Their own Situation reports show that. They waited until March 11th to declare a pandemic.

The CDC couldn't produce a working test kit early on.

The NHI have been all over the map on their predictions.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Montegriffo » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:24 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:16 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:14 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:44 am
It's like saying that the Allies were not prepared for the Blitzkrieg at Sedan

That's right, they weren't

So what ?
We've had our practice runs before though.
Some countries did build up stocks of PPE but most did not replace kit as it went out of date.
Nobody, with the possible exceptions of South Korea and Germany, had the infrastructure to produce tests and the lab's to process them.
This may be a new virus but viruses are hardly new.
This isn't the difference between the Somme and Sedan, this is the difference between Iwo Jima and Inchon. Except Inchon learned from the amphibious attacks of WWII and we have not learned from SARS, MERS, H1N1, Swine Flu etc.
I don't even fucking care, I just run my own op

My main interest at the brink in a war; is petite brunette with just the right amount of puppy fat and a nicely trimmed little muff in her panties
Without blame, there can be no reform.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Re: Common Sense 319 – A Recipe for Caesar

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:26 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:24 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:16 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:14 am


We've had our practice runs before though.
Some countries did build up stocks of PPE but most did not replace kit as it went out of date.
Nobody, with the possible exceptions of South Korea and Germany, had the infrastructure to produce tests and the lab's to process them.
This may be a new virus but viruses are hardly new.
This isn't the difference between the Somme and Sedan, this is the difference between Iwo Jima and Inchon. Except Inchon learned from the amphibious attacks of WWII and we have not learned from SARS, MERS, H1N1, Swine Flu etc.
I don't even fucking care, I just run my own op

My main interest at the brink in a war; is petite brunette with just the right amount of puppy fat and a nicely trimmed little muff in her panties
Without blame, there can be no reform.
A pox on all reformers, the road to dysfunction is paved with their misguided central planning
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