So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by BjornP » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:14 am

The Iraqi government have had the Iranians running around the country since ISIS sprang up, so one could say they've all gone "rogue" for some time.

From that perspective, killing one of their officers coordinating with Iran sends a firm message to the Iraqi government.
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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:18 am

BjornP wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:14 am
The Iraqi government have had the Iranians running around the country since ISIS sprang up, so one could say they've all gone "rogue" for some time.

From that perspective, killing one of their officers coordinating with Iran sends a firm message to the Iraqi government.
Where they are meeting with Soleimani ; they're calling it in on their own pos.

Bear in mind that Soleimani is not even supposed to be in the country, he's under a UN travel ban

If you're in the car with Soleimani & Hezbollah while they are plotting to attack American embassies ?

You're a terrorist ; sayonara

The standard is Direct Participant in Hostilities (DPH) ; meeting with Soleimani puts you in that kill zone.
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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by Hastur » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:33 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:18 am
BjornP wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:14 am
The Iraqi government have had the Iranians running around the country since ISIS sprang up, so one could say they've all gone "rogue" for some time.

From that perspective, killing one of their officers coordinating with Iran sends a firm message to the Iraqi government.
Where they are meeting with Soleimani ; they're calling it in on their own pos.

Bear in mind that Soleimani is not even supposed to be in the country, he's under a UN travel ban

If you're in the car with Soleimani & Hezbollah while they are plotting to attack American embassies ?

You're a terrorist ; sayonara

The standard is Direct Participant in Hostilities (DPH) ; meeting with Soleimani puts you in that kill zone.
Most of the Shia militias in southern Iraq are under Iranian control. That was one of Soleimanis jobs. Keeping in touch with Iranian Proxies in other countries and telling them what to do. That Shia militia leader was probably the one that organized the attack on the US embassy.
It was an excellent strike. It sends a clear message. If you mess with the US they will find you and kill you. Not just some symbolic bombing of an empty airstrip but the actual leader who called it. The Iranians have gotten so used to being able to get away with anything that they grew arrogant. Now that shit got real they don't know what to do. Flailing about in panic and shooting down a Ukrainian airliner.
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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:54 am

Hastur wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:33 am
Smitty-48 wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:18 am
BjornP wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:14 am
The Iraqi government have had the Iranians running around the country since ISIS sprang up, so one could say they've all gone "rogue" for some time.

From that perspective, killing one of their officers coordinating with Iran sends a firm message to the Iraqi government.
Where they are meeting with Soleimani ; they're calling it in on their own pos.

Bear in mind that Soleimani is not even supposed to be in the country, he's under a UN travel ban

If you're in the car with Soleimani & Hezbollah while they are plotting to attack American embassies ?

You're a terrorist ; sayonara

The standard is Direct Participant in Hostilities (DPH) ; meeting with Soleimani puts you in that kill zone.
Most of the Shia militias in southern Iraq are under Iranian control. That was one of Soleimanis jobs. Keeping in touch with Iranian Proxies in other countries and telling them what to do. That Shia militia leader was probably the one that organized the attack on the US embassy.
It was an excellent strike. It sends a clear message. If you mess with the US they will find you and kill you. Not just some symbolic bombing of an empty airstrip but the actual leader who called it. The Iranians have gotten so used to being able to get away with anything that they grew arrogant. Now that shit got real they don't know what to do. Flailing about in panic and shooting down a Ukrainian airliner.
There's a political component to that as well, Trump is differentiating himself from Obama & Bush

Trump will hit the targets that Obama & Bush were too squeamish to go after

The Trump Deranged will spew talk rage about it online, but they are irrelevant to Trump

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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by The Conservative » Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:04 am

BjornP wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:05 am
Well, killing your allies' military officers is not what I'd call a "good" kill, but otoh the Iraqi government doesn't excatly look good to most Iraqis right about now, so it may not neccesarily lead to (more) anti-american sentiment in Iraq.

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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by Montegriffo » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:44 am

It's pretty clear that allies mean little. Siding against the number one military ally when they are attacked by Russian nerve gas. Pulling out of deals against the wishes of just about everyone. Taking sides in foreign elections. Retweeting videos from dangerous far right movements like Britain First.
Allies mean nothing to him.
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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by GloryofGreece » Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:32 am

If Trump is stupid enough to actually use the U.S. military in force to invade Iran it could potentially lead to the Chinese/Russians using that as a chance to take their own territory ambitions a step further while the U.S. is busy bleeding on the Iranian plateau. That Iraq/Iran war in the 1980s was illuminating for shining a light on how capable the Iranian people were of mounting a defense against a supposed superior army. Using mass wave attacks and all. Whatever they are the Persians aren't too weak to defend their homeland.
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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by PartyOf5 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:45 am

GloryofGreece wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:32 am
If Trump is stupid enough to actually use the U.S. military in force to invade Iran ...
Rheeeeeeee!!!!! Trump is gonna invade Iran!!!!!!!

I can make up baseless shit and call it news too. If Pelosi is stupid enough to actually murder Trump in the kitchen with a candlestick then she will kick off a real Civil War II.

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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by Montegriffo » Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:12 am

PartyOf5 wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:45 am
GloryofGreece wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:32 am
If Trump is stupid enough to actually use the U.S. military in force to invade Iran ...
Rheeeeeeee!!!!! Trump is gonna invade Iran!!!!!!!

I can make up baseless shit and call it news too. If Pelosi is stupid enough to actually murder Trump in the kitchen with a candlestick then she will kick off a real Civil War II.
Uugh, someone who actually brings content to the forum is needlessly attacked by an ankle-biting attack troll for expressing an opinion.
This is how forums die.
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Re: So Trump ordered General Soleimani Assassinated, and now people are crying for WWIII....

Post by StCapps » Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:15 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:12 am
PartyOf5 wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:45 am
GloryofGreece wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:32 am
If Trump is stupid enough to actually use the U.S. military in force to invade Iran ...
Rheeeeeeee!!!!! Trump is gonna invade Iran!!!!!!!

I can make up baseless shit and call it news too. If Pelosi is stupid enough to actually murder Trump in the kitchen with a candlestick then she will kick off a real Civil War II.
Uugh, someone who actually brings content to the forum is needlessly attacked by an ankle-biting attack troll for expressing an opinion.
This is how forums die.
More concern trolling from Monte.
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