Civil War Coming?

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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by DBTrek » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:24 am

City-states are awesome Martin. The only way to balance power is to distribute it, and city states do that beautifully. The UN, on the other hand, is a looming tyranny that would collect all power to itself if given an opportunity.
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:29 am

DBTrek wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:24 am
City-states are awesome Martin. The only way to balance power is to distribute it, and city states do that beautifully. The UN, on the other hand, is a looming tyranny that would collect all power to itself if given an opportunity.
The UN is an American institution, just like all the rest.

World Bank, IMF, WTO, NATO, etc, it's all America.

If Americans do not defend and uphold them, nobody else would.

There is only one free country, and as such, it is the only one country in the end.

Well Regulated Militia, there is no one else.

The liberal order ? Us and those like us, nobody else is defending anything, everybody else is a passenger.

China ? Russia ? India ? Without America, they would collapse into civil disorder.

Without FDR, there is no UN, he created it, from scratch.

If America said tomorrow ; there is no UN, it would be gone, just like that,
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by DBTrek » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:46 am

Imperial American institutions. The Federal part of America that wants to collect all power.

More of a coalition of co-equal states American myself. Distribute the power among 50 states. Balance it among 3 branches of government. Closer to City-State America than Rome America.
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by Fife » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:48 am

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:51 am

DBTrek wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:46 am
Imperial American institutions. The Federal part of America that wants to collect all power.

More of a coalition of co-equal states American myself. Distribute the power among 50 states. Balance it among 3 branches of government. Closer to City-State America than Rome America.
America is not Rome. America is the empire of liberty, free all the slaves everywhere, or die trying.

Chosen by God himself, you know it, I know it, nobody else is going to to do it.

Nicest ? Yes. Friendliest ? Yes. But most important of all : the most upstanding.

Nobody else is fighting for the light of civilization itself.
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:52 am

Fife wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:48 am
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
And what are we, as the people, prepared to kill and die for ?

That is the threshold of civilization itself.
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by Smitty-48 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:56 am

If America were to have a civil war again, if America were to leave a vacuum in our wake ?

All heck would break loose, America is the only thing keeping a world war at bay.

Pax Americana. Nobody else is going to do it.
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by DBTrek » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:22 am

Fife wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:48 am
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
That’s working out pretty well, eh?
Explain the Civil Rights act ... which is not in the Constitution, but applies to all 50 states.

...not that I’m against it, but it’s an easy example of “Not in the Constitution, yet forced upon the states”.
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:25 am

I’m trying to predict the non-violent culmination of this split in American values: Republicans win big? Seems unlikely to get CA, Seattle, Portland. What then? That’s why I think city-States is a natural conclusion.
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:27 am

I wonder when C-Mag is coming back?
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