Civil War Coming?

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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by StCapps » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:46 am

brewster wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:43 am
StCapps wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:23 am
brewster wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:19 am

Work on your reading comprehension. I did not imply the EC was gerrymandered, I was referring to the House and statehouses in support of saying current elected majorities in many states does not equal actual majority support.
Winning 30 states out of 50 states does show majority support though, As does a majority in the Senate. The Democrats control the gerrymandered house, and you just pointed out how that does not equal actual majority support. If anyone has a majority of support, it's the GOP. Fuck yo national popular support bullshit.
Now it's you who doesn't seem to know what the EC is. It does not translate into popular support, but rather can give victories to minorities in popular voting, as in 2000 and 2016.
No POTUS candidate who won 30 or more states has ever lost the EC for a reason. The EC favors candidates who can win more states than other candidates whose vote in concentrated in urban centers but doesn't translate to winning the popular vote of many states, Trump is no exception. If you think a candidate who wins 20 of 50 states or less should win a POTUS election just because they win the popular vote, you're a dumbass.
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by brewster » Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:59 am

StCapps wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:46 am
brewster wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:43 am
StCapps wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:23 am
Winning 30 states out of 50 states does show majority support though, As does a majority in the Senate. The Democrats control the gerrymandered house, and you just pointed out how that does not equal actual majority support. If anyone has a majority of support, it's the GOP. Fuck yo national popular support bullshit.
Now it's you who doesn't seem to know what the EC is. It does not translate into popular support, but rather can give victories to minorities in popular voting, as in 2000 and 2016.
No POTUS candidate who won 30 or more states has ever lost the EC for a reason. The EC favors candidates who can win more states than other candidates whose vote in concentrated in urban centers but doesn't translate to winning the popular vote of many states, Trump is no exception.
And...so what? Number of states means nothing in actual support, it takes the entire smaller HALF of the states to equal just NY and CA in population. Number of states just looks cool on your mostly red map, and means something in the EC because of the oddities in the Constitution resulting from the opening battle of the Urban vs Rural. We're not talking about elections here in this thread, but war, who supports what positions. Do not mistake winning the EC for having a vast majority of support.
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by StCapps » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:07 am

brewster wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:59 am
StCapps wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:46 am
brewster wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:43 am

Now it's you who doesn't seem to know what the EC is. It does not translate into popular support, but rather can give victories to minorities in popular voting, as in 2000 and 2016.
No POTUS candidate who won 30 or more states has ever lost the EC for a reason. The EC favors candidates who can win more states than other candidates whose vote in concentrated in urban centers but doesn't translate to winning the popular vote of many states, Trump is no exception.
And...so what? Number of states means nothing in actual support, it takes the entire smaller HALF of the states to equal just NY and CA in population. Number of states just looks cool on your mostly red map, and means something in the EC because of the oddities in the Constitution resulting from the opening battle of the Urban vs Rural. We're not talking about elections here in this thread, but war, who supports what positions. Do not mistake winning the EC for having a vast majority of support.
Do not mistake winning the popular vote for having a vast majority of support. Number of people is irrelevant, most of the territory of the country would prefer a different government than those in the urban cantonments, that's why the EC exists, that's a good thing. If the Democrats want to win elections, try not getting your ass handed to you so much in rural districts just to pander to urban centers, problem solved. Democrats used to do well in rural districts, maybe they should try that again, nothing is stopping them but themselves.
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by BjornP » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:21 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:11 am
BjornP wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:07 am
Nope. All of you are hysterical and obsessed with labelling both yourselves and others using one-dimensional, simplistic brushes while declaring yourselves the other's "victims".
What a fuckin’ sanctimonious screed.
You only say that because you are triggered by people who don't coddle you and tell you that "oooh, but your opinion matters *just as much as anyone else's".

I am right and have neither patience nor sympathy for fools who keep making up their own personal definitions of words whenever the mood strikes them.
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by StCapps » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:25 am

BjornP wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:21 am
Martin Hash wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:11 am
BjornP wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:07 am
Nope. All of you are hysterical and obsessed with labelling both yourselves and others using one-dimensional, simplistic brushes while declaring yourselves the other's "victims".
What a fuckin’ sanctimonious screed.
You only say that because you are triggered by people who don't coddle you and tell you that "oooh, but your opinion matters *just as much as anyone else's".

I am right and have neither patience nor sympathy for fools who keep making up their own personal definitions of words whenever the mood strikes them.
Marxist.
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:36 am

BjornP wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:21 am
I am right and have neither patience nor sympathy
Cry Havoc, let slip the dogs of war.
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by BjornP » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:43 am

Heh. There really needs to be a GIF with "That’s Marxiss!"... :D It's used in the exact same way you guys use "Marxist".

Intellectually Lazy Right: "Everything I dunn understand is Marxiss!".

Intellectually Lazy Left: "Everything I dunn understand is Rayciss!".
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:44 am

I am no intellectual, I am a simple man.

Something which I can love and understand.

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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by StCapps » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:45 am

BjornP wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:43 am
Heh. There really needs to be a GIF with "That’s Marxiss!"... :D It's used in the exact same way you guys use "Marxist".

Intellectually Lazy Right: "Everything I dunn understand is Marxiss!".

Intellectually Lazy Left: "Everything I dunn understand is Rayciss!".
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Re: Civil War Coming?

Post by BjornP » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:52 am

Everything is Interpretation = Liberty?

Facts are facts = Godless Communism?

What a clown show.

Hey by all means, fight a civil war but since both the radical left and right have embraced postmodern relativistic bullshit whomever wins just end up fighting your former allies. When everything is interpretation, it's easier to interpret former allies as future enemies. After all, you just need to imagine their betrayal...

Happy civil war, then. :dance:
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