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Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:04 pm

In the latest confrontation between the bee industry and the Trump administration, a group of concerned beekeepers have sued the Environmental Protection Agency over its July decision to expand the use of a pesticide that's known to harm bees and other pollinators.
The Pollinator Stewardship Council, the American Beekeeper Federation and beekeeper Jeff Anderson, who are represented by Earthjustice, have asked the US Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals to review the EPA's decision earlier this summer to rollback several restrictions around the pesticide sulfoxaflor, which were put in place under the Obama administration over concerns it might be contributing to plummeting bee populations.
Bees help pollinate a third of the crops we eat, including almonds, apples, avocados and grapes, and the steady decline in bee populations has caused alarm not just in the US but in Europe as well. Pollinators like bees are under threat because of parasites like varroa mites, widespread pesticide use, habitat loss and the climate crisis.
An EPA report from earlier this summer notes that some forms of the pesticide sulfoxaflor can be "very highly toxic" to bees. The EPA defended their decision at the time by citing studies that show the chemical disappears from the environment faster than other alternatives. But Earthjustice and other critics have attacked the EPA for relying on studies funded by industry groups.

"Honeybees and other pollinators are dying in droves because of insecticides like sulfoxaflor, yet the Trump administration removes restrictions just to please the chemical industry," said Earthjustice lawyer Greg Loarie in a statement. "This is illegal and an affront to our food system, economy, and environment."
The EPA did not immediately respond to CNN's request for comment.
Michele Colopy of the Pollinator Stewardship Council attacked the EPA reliance on industry studies as "inappropriate."
"Die-offs of tens of thousands of bee colonies continue to occur and sulfoxaflor plays a huge role in this problem. EPA is harming not just the beekeepers, their livelihood, and bees, but the nation's food system," she added.
In 2014, the Obama administration launched a program to address honeybee population losses, directing federal agencies to work toward preserving bee pollinator populations. The move was part of a wider government focus on protecting pollinators, including bees and butterflies, whose populations have plummeted in recent years.

The Trump administration has gone the other way, reversing an Obama-era rule meant to protect bees from neonicotinoids, a chemical family that can cause colonies to collapse and curtailing bee-related federal research. Earlier this summer, the US Department of Agriculture suspended data collection for its annual Honey Bee Colonies report for one quarter, undermining researchers' ability to compare loss rates from year to year -- one of the fundamental ways that experts and the honeybee industry can use the survey as they try to better understand why bee populations are declining.
The most recently available data shows that beehive loss reached its highest winter levels this past year, according to the Bee Informed Partnership's most recent report.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/23/politics ... index.html


What a fucking idiot. We hire the guy to deal with the corruption and the immigration problems. He proceeds to do almost nothing but neocuckery from day one.

I like eating. Try not to wipe out the pollinating bees in North America you fucking morons.

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Re: Earth matters

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:35 pm

I don't see the office of the Presidency as being effective against the Neo Temperance prohibitionists.

It's not like Harding, Coolidge nor Hoover were of any use, they all embraced Prohibition.

The main weapon against the Temperance Lady is the Scofflaw.

As the laws become more absurd, the American rugged individual simply declines to obey, en masse.

This leads to chaos of course, but chaos is a ladder.

Speech banning, gun grabbing, prohibition and confiscation; will simply criminalize the masses.

Then all heck is gonna break loose.

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Re: Earth matters

Post by brewster » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:42 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:04 pm
What a fucking idiot. We hire the guy to deal with the corruption and the immigration problems. He proceeds to do almost nothing but neocuckery from day one.

I like eating. Try not to wipe out the pollinating bees in North America you fucking morons.
But, but, but... Government and regulation is ALWAYS THE PROBLEM! Fox & the GOP says so. Environment loving Democrats hate America.
We are only accustomed to dealing with like twenty online personas at a time so when we only have about ten people some people have to be strawmanned in order to advance our same relative go nowhere nonsense positions. -TheReal_ND

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Re: Earth matters

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:45 pm

brewster wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:42 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:04 pm
What a fucking idiot. We hire the guy to deal with the corruption and the immigration problems. He proceeds to do almost nothing but neocuckery from day one.

I like eating. Try not to wipe out the pollinating bees in North America you fucking morons.
But, but, but... Government and regulation is ALWAYS THE PROBLEM! Fox & the GOP says so. Environment loving Democrats hate America.
Instead of being sniveling about it, one way you can approach this with the typical conservative/libertarian is the fact that these pesticides harm other people outside the property they are being used. We need pollinating insects to produce a third of our food supply. I just had to clear out a collapsed hive last week. This shit is no joke. There are a lot of reasons for it, and pesticides are one of the really big reasons (maybe second to the varoa mites).

The idea that your freedom to swing your fist extends to the length of my nose applies here. They won't see this in terms of economic externalities, being ideologically blind to such things, but if you see it in terms of property rights.. maybe.

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Re: Earth matters

Post by StCapps » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:50 pm

If the pesticide is really the least damaging to environment of the major alternatives, then banning it would result in even more bees dying.
/shrugs
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Re: Earth matters

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:56 pm

StCapps wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:50 pm
If the pesticide is really the least damaging to environment of the major alternatives, then banning it would result in even more bees dying.
/shrugs
That might be the most retarded thing you posted in several days. Pray tell how removing an insecticide from the environment would result in more insects dying.

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Re: Earth matters

Post by StCapps » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:57 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:56 pm
StCapps wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:50 pm
If the pesticide is really the least damaging to environment of the major alternatives, then banning it would result in even more bees dying.
/shrugs
That might be the most retarded thing you posted in several days. Pray tell how removing an insecticide from the environment would result in more insects dying.
If they use more dangerous alternative pesticides, more bees die. Derp. Unless you ban them all, more bees die. If you ban them all, the two thirds of food take the hit to save the bees responsible for one third.
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Re: Earth matters

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:00 pm

StCapps wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:57 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:56 pm
StCapps wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:50 pm
If the pesticide is really the least damaging to environment of the major alternatives, then banning it would result in even more bees dying.
/shrugs
That might be the most retarded thing you posted in several days. Pray tell how removing an insecticide from the environment would result in more insects dying.
If they use more dangerous alternative pesticides, more bees die. Derp.
Dude, they don't need to dump all this toxic shit into the environment to grow food. It's a lazy, overrated method of farming. People are producing food just fine without all that.

Maybe stop threatening a third of our food supply.

What's worse? No more pollinators taking out a third of the crops we can grow on this continent or Big Agra not being able to maximize profit on their industrial farms?
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Re: Earth matters

Post by StCapps » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:01 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:00 pm
StCapps wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:57 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:56 pm


That might be the most retarded thing you posted in several days. Pray tell how removing an insecticide from the environment would result in more insects dying.
If they use more dangerous alternative pesticides, more bees die. Derp.
Dude, they don't need to dump all this toxic shit into the environment to grow food.
If they don't then great, if they do, then this is why they aren't banning it. If there is an economical and environmentally sound alternative, then banning the shit would save more bees, if there isn't, then it would kill more bees.
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Re: Earth matters

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:02 pm

StCapps wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:01 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:00 pm
StCapps wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:57 pm
If they use more dangerous alternative pesticides, more bees die. Derp.
Dude, they don't need to dump all this toxic shit into the environment to grow food.
If they don't then great, if they do, then this is why they aren't banning it.
If it kills off the pollinating insects it SHOULD be banned. Are you really this stupid?