Meanwhile in Africa

[C-Mag]

The British Crown's fingerprints are all over the collapse of Zimbabwe. Their NIBMAR policy (No independence before majority rule) demanded that a Mugabe took control. The BBC was extremely active in fomenting revolt against the Rhodesian government. The crown also used its political power in the UN to draft a resolution preventing other nations from recognizing Rhodesia.


The brits eventually forced elections, which gave us Mugabe.
Mugabe most likely was backed by the UK.

Don't forget that the Queen knighted him in '94.

However, Mugabe eventually banned the BBC from the country because of their negative reporting.
I mean what sort of a douche-bag President would ban journalists because they were critical of him?

It's the same kind of late 20th C. pseudo colonial meddling that the US has been so good at fucking up countries. The Soviets played the game as well.

Create unrest in order to get 'your guy' in the drivers seat
Let 'your guy' be a tyrant, so you get favorable trade with them
Milk the nation dry and say fuck the populace

It's classic Progressive Regime change shit. All the big powers played the game, it's probably created all the big conflicts of the second half of the 20th C. It's a bad drug, we need to get off it.

[C-Mag]

Don't forget that the Queen knighted him in '94.

Holy Shit, I'm not sure I knew that



You guys need to Deep Six Andrew

[Montegriffo]

Ian Smith caused the unrest by declaring UDI.
Mugabe wasn't ''our man'', he was the beneficiary of the civil war which followed UDI.
Where Britain's blame laid was in not removing the rebellious Smith from power and not assisting the transition from colony to majority rule to progress as it was doing before the declaration.
Mugabe was a ruthless warlord created by Smith's unsuccessful power grab.

[Speaker to Animals]

Turns out high-yield agriculture requires a baseline IQ that is above that of the average black African.

[C-Mag]

Ian Smith caused the unrest by declaring UDI.
Mugabe wasn't ''our man'', he was the beneficiary of the civil war which followed UDI.
Where Britain's blame laid was in not removing the rebellious Smith from power and not assisting the transition from colony to majority rule to progress as it was doing before the declaration.
Mugabe was a ruthless warlord created by Smith's unsuccessful power grab.

I don't think you get Mugabe without support from British agents. I'm not making attacks against the UK, my problem is with colonialism by other names. All the big powers play this game, Fance, Soviets, Chinese, US, all of them.

The UK could have handled the Rhodesia problem completely different. But like all big government central planners, by god they were going to stick with the NIBMAR policy. That policy, led to the election of Mugabe.

How could Mugabe not be their guy if the Crown Knighted him ?

[C-Mag]

Turns out high-yield agriculture requires a baseline IQ that is above that of the average black African.

We'll see, South Africa is getting it's shot at the Mugabe Effect.

[Montegriffo]

Ian Smith caused the unrest by declaring UDI.
Mugabe wasn't ''our man'', he was the beneficiary of the civil war which followed UDI.
Where Britain's blame laid was in not removing the rebellious Smith from power and not assisting the transition from colony to majority rule to progress as it was doing before the declaration.
Mugabe was a ruthless warlord created by Smith's unsuccessful power grab.

I don't think you get Mugabe without support from British agents. I'm not making attacks against the UK, my problem is with colonialism by other names. All the big powers play this game, Fance, Soviets, Chinese, US, all of them.

The UK could have handled the Rhodesia problem completely different. But like all big government central planners, by god they were going to stick with the NIBMAR policy. That policy, led to the election of Mugabe.

How could Mugabe not be their guy if the Crown Knighted him ?

That was 15 years after Zimbabwe achieved independence.
In 1994 he was not yet seen as the monster he became and little was known about the killings of Ndebele civilians at that time (Gukuruhundi). Zimbabwe had been mostly peaceful since independence and Mugabe had been reconciliatory to the white population and encouraged them to remain active in government and the economy. Universal healthcare and education was provided (they achieved the highest literacy rates in Africa) while the economy remained strong. He really was seen as a role model for African leaders.
He was also awarded honorary degrees by the University of Massachusetts and Michigan State University.
It was after '95 when the economy began to fail and droughts hit that the worse excesses of his regime began and his previous crimes became more known.
If you have information to show that Britain supported Mugabe during the Independence war with Smith I'd be interested to see that. I suspect the opposite was more likely.

[TheReal_ND]

One good thing you could say about Mugabe is he never turned on his revolutionaries. Wether that's due to ineptitude and being shitty at politics, or some kind of honor bound gratitude, we will never know

[Montegriffo]

One good thing you could say about Mugabe is he never turned on his revolutionaries. Wether that's due to ineptitude and being shitty at politics, or some kind of honor bound gratitude, we will never know

Not on his own tribe maybe but he turned on Nkomo and his.
Up to 20k civilians were massacred.