The Causes of American Gun Violence

[C-Mag]

No chickens at all. In fucking Ohio.
The only way this even makes sense is busybodies and big Ag don’t like it.

The farm market thing is equally absurd. The businesses downtown don’t want increased foot traffic, at the expense of competing with some shmuck selling t-shirts.

The Chicken reminds me of whole milk bans. Stalinist control of food.

There's a simple solution to the Farmers market thing. Move it the fuck out of downtown. I don't know why everyone thinks these need to be downtown. I know going to heart of the city draws in all the hipsters and hippies, but if it's truly about fresh food, get it the hell out of there. No reason to have these downtown. They can be set up anywhere.

[Speaker to Animals]

No chickens at all. In fucking Ohio.
The only way this even makes sense is busybodies and big Ag don’t like it.

The farm market thing is equally absurd. The businesses downtown don’t want increased foot traffic, at the expense of competing with some shmuck selling t-shirts.

The Chicken reminds me of whole milk bans. Stalinist control of food.

There's a simple solution to the Farmers market thing. Move it the fuck out of downtown. I don't know why everyone thinks these need to be downtown. I know going to heart of the city draws in all the hipsters and hippies, but if it's truly about fresh food, get it the hell out of there. No reason to have these downtown. They can be set up anywhere.

Sellers want it as close to impulse buyers as possible. Farmers markets should be downtown for a lot of good reasons as well. It's more energy efficient to ship food in to sell in the city than for every family to drive out, for example.

But the idea that farmers markets are the dindus in this situation is also false. Most farmers markets are very much rigged. A lot of small growers are locked out of those markets by the bigger sellers.

There exists a pretty big difference between the "capitalism" espoused by conservatives and libertarians, and what actually happens in the world.

[Fife]

Don't any of you people buy produce from truck farmers on the roadside?

[C-Mag]

Don't any of you people buy produce from truck farmers on the roadside?

I do occasionally. But not often, not many of them in my area.

[Speaker to Animals]

Don't any of you people buy produce from truck farmers on the roadside?

Banned.

Some farmers still sell from their own farms on the roadside, though. And some small business owners have produce stands.

But roadside businesses need permits and licenses, and I don't know how you'd even get something like that.

[Fife]

That sucks.

I picked up a mess of okra and maters off of the tailgate of my farmer buddy up by the lake Saturday.

[C-Mag]

Sellers want it as close to impulse buyers as possible. Farmers markets should be downtown for a lot of good reasons as well. It's more energy efficient to ship food in to sell in the city than for every family to drive out, for example.

But the idea that farmers markets are the dindus in this situation is also false. Most farmers markets are very much rigged. A lot of small growers are locked out of those markets by the bigger sellers.

There exists a pretty big difference between the "capitalism" espoused by conservatives and libertarians, and what actually happens in the world.

I just checked the website of the closest farmers market to me. Spaces rent for $250 to $1000 for the season for a vendor. They have a board of directors and the president own a T shirt shop downtown.

Frankly, the only thing I've seen worthwhile in thess things is the vegetables. The Hmong are the best growers around.

[Speaker to Animals]

Sellers want it as close to impulse buyers as possible. Farmers markets should be downtown for a lot of good reasons as well. It's more energy efficient to ship food in to sell in the city than for every family to drive out, for example.

But the idea that farmers markets are the dindus in this situation is also false. Most farmers markets are very much rigged. A lot of small growers are locked out of those markets by the bigger sellers.

There exists a pretty big difference between the "capitalism" espoused by conservatives and libertarians, and what actually happens in the world.

I just checked the website of the closest farmers market to me. Spaces rent for $250 to $1000 for the season for a vendor. They have a board of directors and the president own a T shirt shop downtown.

Frankly, the only thing I've seen worthwhile in thess things is the vegetables. The Hmong are the best growers around.

The way it works is that the top sellers can keep smaller sellers out, to keep competition low and fix the prices. Farmers markets are not always "free markets" in any sense of that term (probably rarely truly free and open markets).

Flea markets are generally free, since you pay only about $50 to rent a table for a day and the people running the market are not usually also sellers in the market.

But not that many people go to flea markets for produce (though it's possible your local flea market has some decent sellers in there from time to time).

I know if you want real honey (the stuff in the grocery store is usually made with corn syrup), the flea market is a good place to look. Just ask the seller if she produced it (usually honey is produced by women for some reason).

LOTS of farmers markets are fake as fuck too. People selling there are sometimes just resellers and the organic status of the produce is questionable.

The absolute best way to get food that I know of is a farm co-op where you buy directly from local farmers belonging to a co-op and just get it all put together by the co-op, including the raw milk.

The less complex and "market driven" the system by which you get your food, the healthier and more honest it will be. Create actual relationships with the farmers somehow. That's the ideal future for food production and distribution. You should know where you food comes from and actually trust it. You can't really trust anything in the consumerist, capitalistic model of food production and distribution.

[SuburbanFarmer]

These fucking clowns can’t deal with even the slightest hint of competition.

Well they have a point there. Unfair competition is the gripe. I have to pay all these licenses, taxes, and occupancy fees and endure all these inspections but some dude can come along and glom onto the busiest day of the week and set up some ramshackle business and steal from me , yeah, no I'd be pissed too. A farmers market is one thing, a flea market disguised as a farmers market is something else entirely.

No one is ‘stealing fr you’. This is not gang turf. You chose to open your gay little store, and pay those fees. There was no understanding or promise that you’d be the only idiot selling t-shirts for a square mile.

Welcome to capitalism.

[SuburbanFarmer]

These fucking clowns can’t deal with even the slightest hint of competition.

Well they have a point there. Unfair competition is the gripe. I have to pay all these licenses, taxes, and occupancy fees and endure all these inspections but some dude can come along and glom onto the busiest day of the week and set up some ramshackle business and steal from me , yeah, no I'd be pissed too. A farmers market is one thing, a flea market disguised as a farmers market is something else entirely.

+1 I'd love to see people start showing up to SF's workplace and start offering to do SF's job for less money. Just walk right in and be allowed to work for less on the spot while SF gets laid off until the migrant workers decide to move on.

They are welcome to. I don’t need protection from that, because I can put-compete them.
If you want to hire a monkey to bang on a keyboard, and destroy your databases, feel free. My pay is determined by market value (or as close as I can negotiate)

Welcome to capitalism.