THE ERA OF BORIS

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Re: THE ERA OF BORIS

Post by StCapps » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:31 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:29 am
So, tariffs on exports to and imports from all 27 members of the EU (2/3rds of all UK trade) is going to be better for us than Germany losing free trade with just one of its trading partners?
Germany will still sell its cars but our costs go sky-high.
That's without even taking into account the chaos at our borders as the free flow of trade is severely disrupted by EU customs checks.

The EU cannot let the UK become a backdoor into Europe for chlorinated chickens and growth hormone-saturated beef.

This is why the Northern Ireland backstop is still the sticking point.
The EU has to ensure that imports into the EU meet the quality laid out in EU regulations.
This is non-negotiable as the EU has stated since day one.
You are a more important trading partner than most of the 27 members of the EU to the EU. If they want to cut their own throats to spite you for leaving, that's on them.

Besides you can get better deals with non-EU trading partners without bullshit EU baggage weighing you down.
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Re: THE ERA OF BORIS

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:32 am

StCapps wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:13 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:38 am
StCapps wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:15 am
No deal is the way to go, because the EU are being twats and refusing to give you a good deal trying to leverage the UK into staying. Just leave and they'll be forced to deal with you or slit their own throats. Call their stupid bluff.
OK genius, what could the EU do to give us a deal better than the one we have had for years?
Do you even know why May's deal was rejected by the Brexit hardliners?
They rejected it because it was a shit deal so that the UK wouldn't sign it and try to delay until they can trick the rubes into voting against Brexit in a new referendum. The EU will give you a better deal, because if they don't, they are shooting themselves in the foot, and they ain't going to get you to rejoin the EU by punishing you for no good reason.
Why was it ''a shit deal'' and I want specifics here?
Also, what concessions are the EU holding back on?
What is Boris going to get in 3 months that 3 years of negotiations between the UK and EU failed to get?
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Re: THE ERA OF BORIS

Post by StCapps » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:36 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:32 am
StCapps wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:13 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:38 am


OK genius, what could the EU do to give us a deal better than the one we have had for years?
Do you even know why May's deal was rejected by the Brexit hardliners?
They rejected it because it was a shit deal so that the UK wouldn't sign it and try to delay until they can trick the rubes into voting against Brexit in a new referendum. The EU will give you a better deal, because if they don't, they are shooting themselves in the foot, and they ain't going to get you to rejoin the EU by punishing you for no good reason.
Why was it ''a shit deal'' and I want specifics here?
Also, what concessions are the EU holding back on?
What is Boris going to get in 3 months that 3 years of negotiations between the UK and EU failed to get?
It was a shit deal, because Theresa May never wanted a Brexit, and tried to sabotage it by pushing for a shit deal, so she could be like, see Brexit's a bad idea. Nope Theresa, it's just a bad idea to let you negotiate Brexit.
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Re: THE ERA OF BORIS

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:37 am

StCapps wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:31 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:29 am
So, tariffs on exports to and imports from all 27 members of the EU (2/3rds of all UK trade) is going to be better for us than Germany losing free trade with just one of its trading partners?
Germany will still sell its cars but our costs go sky-high.
That's without even taking into account the chaos at our borders as the free flow of trade is severely disrupted by EU customs checks.

The EU cannot let the UK become a backdoor into Europe for chlorinated chickens and growth hormone-saturated beef.

This is why the Northern Ireland backstop is still the sticking point.
The EU has to ensure that imports into the EU meet the quality laid out in EU regulations.
This is non-negotiable as the EU has stated since day one.
You are a more important trading partner than most of the 27 members of the EU to the EU. If they want to cut their own throats to spite you for leaving, that's on them.
They are not cutting their own throats to spite the UK. They are protecting their markets from unregulated foodstuffs and cheap imports from nations with poor or non-existent workers rights.

Now if you could answer the question, why was May's deal shit?
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Re: THE ERA OF BORIS

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:37 am

The problem is that the political hacks whose job it is to negotiate on your nation's behalf are working with Brussels to kill Brexit.

That very fact alone is a prime example of how the EU is designed not only to violate your sovereignty, but represents an anti-democratic entity that does not have your nation's best interests in mind.

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Re: THE ERA OF BORIS

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:40 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:37 am


Now if you could answer the question, why was May's deal shit?
It's shit and you can see why when you consider the fact that the UK and the US can easily have a completely free trade deal whereby the US does not constantly attempt to overturn UK sovereignty and domestic policies.

You don't need to be a subject of Brussels to have free trade with Germany and France.

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Re: THE ERA OF BORIS

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:40 am

StCapps wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:36 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:32 am
StCapps wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:13 am
They rejected it because it was a shit deal so that the UK wouldn't sign it and try to delay until they can trick the rubes into voting against Brexit in a new referendum. The EU will give you a better deal, because if they don't, they are shooting themselves in the foot, and they ain't going to get you to rejoin the EU by punishing you for no good reason.
Why was it ''a shit deal'' and I want specifics here?
Also, what concessions are the EU holding back on?
What is Boris going to get in 3 months that 3 years of negotiations between the UK and EU failed to get?
It was a shit deal, because Theresa May never wanted a Brexit, and tried to sabotage it by pushing for a shit deal, so she could be like, see Brexit's a bad idea. Nope Theresa, it's just a bad idea to let you negotiate Brexit.
WHY WAS IT A SHIT DEAL?
I want examples of why it was shit, not just opinions.
If you don't know just 'fess up and admit you have no idea.
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Re: THE ERA OF BORIS

Post by StCapps » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:42 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:37 am
They are not cutting their own throats to spite the UK. They are protecting their markets from unregulated foodstuffs and cheap imports from nations with poor or non-existent workers rights.
Protecting their markets from superior competition is called cutting off their nose to spite their face.
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Re: THE ERA OF BORIS

Post by Montegriffo » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:45 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:40 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:37 am


Now if you could answer the question, why was May's deal shit?
It's shit and you can see why when you consider the fact that the UK and the US can easily have a completely free trade deal whereby the US does not constantly attempt to overturn UK sovereignty and domestic policies.

You don't need to be a subject of Brussels to have free trade with Germany and France.
It's shit is not an explanation of the failings of the deal.

UK Parliamentary supremacy has remained intact for 40 years.
The EU cannot impose policies on us which Parliament doesn't approve.
This is why we are not in the single currency or part of Schengen.

Loss of sovereignty is Brexit lie.
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Re: THE ERA OF BORIS

Post by StCapps » Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:49 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:45 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:40 am
Montegriffo wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:37 am


Now if you could answer the question, why was May's deal shit?
It's shit and you can see why when you consider the fact that the UK and the US can easily have a completely free trade deal whereby the US does not constantly attempt to overturn UK sovereignty and domestic policies.

You don't need to be a subject of Brussels to have free trade with Germany and France.
It's shit is not an explanation of the failings of the deal.

UK Parliamentary supremacy has remained intact for 40 years.
The EU cannot impose policies on us which Parliament doesn't approve.
This is why we are not in the single currency or part of Schengen.

Loss of sovereignty is Brexit lie.
It's not a lie, EU does impose policies on you, just because parliament approves of those concessions doesn't change that. They prevent you from signing trade deals that are tailored to protecting your own interests if they conflict with EU interests, which makes all your trade deals worse.
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