Intellectual Property and the Structure of Human Action

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Intellectual Property and the Structure of Human Action

Post by Fife » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:04 am

Here's a nice tight post from Stephan Kinsella.

Give this a read and pick up on how IP is fundamentally antithetical to human progress and creates the monopolistic god-corporations that dominate our social, commercial, and medical lives today.

Accumulating capital without the use of accumulated knowledge doesn't get the cat fed. Ideas are NOT property.

Intellectual Property and the Structure of Human Action
“the rise of our standard of life is due at least as much to an increase in knowledge which enables us not merely to consume more of the same things but to use different things, and often things we did not even know before. And though the growth of income depends in part on the accumulation of capital, more probably depends on our learning to use our resources more effectively and for new purposes.
The growth of knowledge is of such special importance because, while the material resources will always remain scarce and will have to be reserved for limited purposes, the users of new knowledge (where we do not make them artificially scarce by patents of monopoly) are unrestricted. Knowledge, once achieved, becomes gratuitously available for the benefit of all. It is through this free gift of the knowledge acquired by the experiments of some members of society that general progress is made possible, that the achievements of those who have gone before facilitate the advance of those who follow.”

Previous Kinsella on these estimable pages:
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Patents in general are the bastard children of the bastard Hamilton.
Are you aware of any movement to make these absurd patents go bye-bye? Public interest should super-cede when it comes to stuff like maintaining a diverse food supply.
Michael Malice's podcast has just moved over to Gas Digital. In his first new episode he had Stephen Kinsella on.

This is a good introduction to the anti-IP line of thinking.


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Re: Intellectual Property and the Structure of Human Action

Post by Zlaxer » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:11 am

Fife wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:04 am
Here's a nice tight post from Stephan Kinsella.

Give this a read and pick up on how IP is fundamentally antithetical to human progress and creates the monopolistic god-corporations that dominate our social, commercial, and medical lives today.

Accumulating capital without the use of accumulated knowledge doesn't get the cat fed. Ideas are NOT property.
Even Tommy J. would not agree with this -

IMHO - just another shill for the tech giants who hate patents because its just easier to steal.

From my quick read - author seems to conveniently forget patents are term limited.

Want to reduce bad patents - stop hiring incompetent examiners and having technical claims construed by English and history major "judges".

USPTO is flooded with 1st gen immigrants who got "degrees" on the cheap in their home country and can take the sub-market wages of the USPTO. Most can barely read/write English - It's a fucking joke right now - a sad joke.

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Re: Intellectual Property and the Structure of Human Action

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:19 am

Patents are terrible. I would rather strengthen trade secret laws, honestly.

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Post by Zlaxer » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:20 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:19 am
Patents are terrible. I would rather strengthen trade secret laws, honestly.

Then the technology stays in-house.


Why are patents terrible? The quid pro quo is public disclosure for limited monopoly.

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Post by Zlaxer » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:21 am

Fife - this is where you come in and say that the USPTO being a shit show is an example of how the government fucks everything up.

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Re: Intellectual Property and the Structure of Human Action

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:22 am

Zlaxer wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:20 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:19 am
Patents are terrible. I would rather strengthen trade secret laws, honestly.

Then the technology stays in-house.


Why are patents terrible? The quid pro quo is public disclosure for limited monopoly.
They are terrible because they inflict great harm on society and are choking innovation.

If you want to look at it from the lolberg perspective, they destroy the idea of a free market. You should succeed by competition, not by graft and government interference.

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Post by Zlaxer » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:23 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:22 am
Zlaxer wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:20 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:19 am
Patents are terrible. I would rather strengthen trade secret laws, honestly.

Then the technology stays in-house.


Why are patents terrible? The quid pro quo is public disclosure for limited monopoly.
They are terrible because they inflict great harm on society and are choking innovation.
How do they choke innovation? Specifics other than parroting the carte blanche statements of big tech and their henchmen.

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Re: Intellectual Property and the Structure of Human Action

Post by Zlaxer » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:24 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:22 am
If you want to look at it from the lolberg perspective, they destroy the idea of a free market. You should succeed by competition, not by graft and government interference.
So you don't think patents (which are limited in term) spur innovation? You don't think companies invest $$$$$$$ in R&D because of the giant fucking carrot that is a 15-18 yr monopoly?

You think Big Pharma would crank out miracle drugs if they knew generic manufactures could reverse engineer their drugs in a few months and undercut them?

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Re: Intellectual Property and the Structure of Human Action

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:26 am

Zlaxer wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:23 am
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:22 am
Zlaxer wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:20 am



Then the technology stays in-house.


Why are patents terrible? The quid pro quo is public disclosure for limited monopoly.
They are terrible because they inflict great harm on society and are choking innovation.
How do they choke innovation? Specifics other than parroting the carte blanche statements of big tech and their henchmen.
Try doing literally anything in the tech world on your own. You need a massive warchest of patents, or a shit ton of capital to purchase rights to use algorithms that are patented, to do pretty much anything.

Want to build a wireless network? You need to purchase rights to literally thousands of patents to build a wireless network right now. That takes massive capital investment just to pay people off. This includes things like the turbocoding algorithm, that makes these high-speed wireless bandwidths possible. But there are other patents owned by network manufacturers like Motorola that lock out competition. If nobody else can manufacture something, then there is no reason for the one guy who owns the patent to improve upon it.

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Re: Intellectual Property and the Structure of Human Action

Post by Fife » Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:27 am

Zlaxer wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:21 am
Fife - this is where you come in and say that the USPTO being a shit show is an example of how the government fucks everything up.

Ackshually, this where you come in, every time, and spout some corporatist gibberish without reading a goddam word of actual economics that I take the time to post.

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The patent office is fundamentally anti-progress. Do you get a chubbs hearing me say it over and over? :goteam: :drunk: