Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[Hastur]

Most European countries has had referendums about joining the EU and/or joining the Euro. Some has had referendums to ratify new treaties.
The No side in these has always been strong and is the base for the euro sceptical parties. Nothing new under the sun.

[StCapps]

Most European countries has had referendums about joining the EU and/or joining the Euro. Some has had referendums to ratify new treaties.
The No side in these has always been strong and is the base for the euro sceptical parties. Nothing new under the sun.

Yeah, these elections being a paradigm shift against the establishment is clearly wishful thinking and media trolling.

[BjornP]

Most European countries has had referendums about joining the EU and/or joining the Euro. Some has had referendums to ratify new treaties.
The No side in these has always been strong and is the base for the euro sceptical parties. Nothing new under the sun.

Yeah, these elections being a paradigm shift against the establishment is clearly wishful thinking and media trolling.

Yup, if this was a paradigm shift, what was 2014 where the (soft/reformist) euroskeptic group ECR became the third largest EUP group, I wonder? Don't remember either StA or Carlus, or US right-wing media making that out to be part of a paradigm shift...

[StCapps]

Most European countries has had referendums about joining the EU and/or joining the Euro. Some has had referendums to ratify new treaties.
The No side in these has always been strong and is the base for the euro sceptical parties. Nothing new under the sun.

Yeah, these elections being a paradigm shift against the establishment is clearly wishful thinking and media trolling.

Yup, if this was a paradigm shift, what was 2014 where the (soft/reformist) euroskeptic group ECR became the third largest EUP group, I wonder? Don't remember either StA or Carlus, or US right-wing media making that out to be part of a paradigm shift...

They see what they want to see. Wishful thinking is a helluva drug.

[Martin Hash]

It's democracy: only takes 1 more Pro-EU MP than Anti-EU MP and it's Brussels all the way, baby.

[BjornP]

It's democracy: only takes 1 more Pro-EU MP than Anti-EU MP and it's Brussels all the way, baby.

Uhmm... then the pro-EU soundly won already. Neither Salvini, Le Pen, Orban or several other of the more influential (as in electable) euroskeptic parties, are anti-EU. There isn't any conflict between anti or pro-EU's, that's not what's been happening. There's a EU-wide debate about what EU should be, not whether it should be or not.

[Martin Hash]

I disagree (see Brexit) but then I’m a Trump supporter who lives in the U.S.

[Otern]

It's democracy: only takes 1 more Pro-EU MP than Anti-EU MP and it's Brussels all the way, baby.

But it's not really a democracy. The European parliament is just a distraction, and has no real power. The commission is designed to not be influenced by those troublesome voters, and it's the institution that has all the power in the EU. Won't really matter who wins or loses those elections, it's just a way to measure support.

[Ex-California]

[Martin Hash]

It's democracy: only takes 1 more Pro-EU MP than Anti-EU MP and it's Brussels all the way, baby.

But it's not really a democracy. The European parliament is just a distraction, and has no real power. The commission is designed to not be influenced by those troublesome voters, and it's the institution that has all the power in the EU. Won't really matter who wins or loses those elections, it's just a way to measure support.

Uhhhh... Brexit?