Huh. I guess in America, you have apprentice, journeyman and master archivists?

Huh. I guess in America, you have apprentice, journeyman and master archivists?
Or, buy a 1972 WV camper van and have it drop a valve on the way to see Tangerine Dream at the Ipswich Corn Exchange.TheReal_ND wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:58 pmStep 1: Buy a pos Honda or Nissan with a manual transmission and join a car forumGloryofGreece wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 8:24 pm Im sick of the down play of trades and vocational training . This is part of the urban / rural divide. I wish I had a trade to either work on the side or just fix my own shit . Just never had the proclivity for it really . And my adopted father was a analytical / bookish dude as opposed to a mechanical - practical man . Both are cool and have a part to play but fuck if your poor it's way better to be able to fix everything yourself.
Step 2: sink tons of money and hours into it to make it go fast
Step 3: ?????
Step 4: cry a lot
Now you have learned to fix cars
Not archivists. It’s much much more than that.BjornP wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 12:48 amHuh. I guess in America, you have apprentice, journeyman and master archivists?![]()
Never cared about "going fast", or putting stupid shit like spoilers and non-functional hood scoops and extra lights on to make it "look fast/'cool'". It's a tool that gets me between points A&B, hopefully reliably.TheReal_ND wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:58 pmStep 1: Buy a pos Honda or Nissan with a manual transmission and join a car forumGloryofGreece wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 8:24 pm Im sick of the down play of trades and vocational training . This is part of the urban / rural divide. I wish I had a trade to either work on the side or just fix my own shit . Just never had the proclivity for it really . And my adopted father was a analytical / bookish dude as opposed to a mechanical - practical man . Both are cool and have a part to play but fuck if your poor it's way better to be able to fix everything yourself.
Step 2: sink tons of money and hours into it to make it go fast
Step 3: ?????
Step 4: cry a lot
Now you have learned to fix cars
Then change the ridiculous current debt slavery system. More people can hold professional jobs if they have the ability to do so. There is actually a shortage of doctors and other professionals in some parts of the country. That said, trades aren’t being downplayed. As I said, we make more with advanced education. That’s life. I’m just as proud of the kid with a certificate as I am of the kid with a degree.Speaker to Animals wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:23 pmAnd you want to encourage the majority of kids to pursue massive debts to get into jobs for which only a small fraction can hold, why exactly?MilSpecs wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:22 pmNothing near mid level corporate management or professional band.
FFYMontegriffo wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 1:46 amOr, buy a 1972 WV camper van and have your catamite drop a deuce on the way to giving him a Tangerine Dream at the Ipswich Corn Hole Exchange.TheReal_ND wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:58 pmStep 1: Buy a pos Honda or Nissan with a manual transmission and join a car forumGloryofGreece wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 8:24 pm Im sick of the down play of trades and vocational training . This is part of the urban / rural divide. I wish I had a trade to either work on the side or just fix my own shit . Just never had the proclivity for it really . And my adopted father was a analytical / bookish dude as opposed to a mechanical - practical man . Both are cool and have a part to play but fuck if your poor it's way better to be able to fix everything yourself.
Step 2: sink tons of money and hours into it to make it go fast
Step 3: ?????
Step 4: cry a lot
Now you have learned to fix cars
Picking up the bits of shit while holding your crank, is your first lesson.
So a bunch of privileged kids can spend even less money for these degrees. I am sure a bunch of doctors and lawyers are going to build that green railroad you want.MilSpecs wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 6:56 amThen change the ridiculous current debt slavery system. More people can hold professional jobs if they have the ability to do so. There is actually a shortage of doctors and other professionals in some parts of the country. That said, trades aren’t being downplayed. As I said, we make more with advanced education. That’s life. I’m just as proud of the kid with a certificate as I am of the kid with a degree.Speaker to Animals wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:23 pmAnd you want to encourage the majority of kids to pursue massive debts to get into jobs for which only a small fraction can hold, why exactly?MilSpecs wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:22 pm
Nothing near mid level corporate management or professional band.
IT and IS are naturally trades. That we use college degrees as gatekeeping is ridiculous.BjornP wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 12:48 amHuh. I guess in America, you have apprentice, journeyman and master archivists?![]()
True points, but you need to know every inch of the language, and how the software operates. It’s no different than being a skilled mechanic, or ‘code’ developer. SQL is code, it’s just fourth-generation.Speaker to Animals wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 10:23 amIT and IS are naturally trades. That we use college degrees as gatekeeping is ridiculous.BjornP wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 12:48 amHuh. I guess in America, you have apprentice, journeyman and master archivists?![]()
These things are not engineering. A person need only learn skills. Corporations already have to train people in-house now anyway because colleges are mostly garbage at the undergraduate level. There's no point in requiring college. Just hire people with some skills to get started, train them to do whatever you want them to do in house, and then carry on.
You don't need to minor in mathematics or understand theoretical computer science to administer a database.