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[Montegriffo]

Evidence, if evidence was needed, that indoctrinating children into a religion is a bad idea.

Here you go again. This reads like you are saying that any religion is bad. I'm going to give you a chance to clarify this statement before I go any further with it. Unless you remain silent on it. Then I'll take that as confirmation you meant exactly what is written.

That is exactly what I'm saying.
I'm not going to single out one religion over the others because I think they all indoctrinate children which can lead to the sort of blind hatred towards others which is shown in the video and demonstrated by the intolerance towards Judaism and Islam here on the MHF.
I don't believe that all people of faith are bad people but I do think that teaching children that their faith is the only true faith is a bad thing and leads to intolerance towards others.

[PartyOf5]

Evidence, if evidence was needed, that indoctrinating children into a religion is a bad idea.

Here you go again. This reads like you are saying that any religion is bad. I'm going to give you a chance to clarify this statement before I go any further with it. Unless you remain silent on it. Then I'll take that as confirmation you meant exactly what is written.

That is exactly what I'm saying.
I'm not going to single out one religion over the others because I think they all indoctrinate children which can lead to the sort of blind hatred towards others which is shown in the video and demonstrated by the intolerance towards Judaism and Islam here on the MHF.
I don't believe that all people of faith are bad people but I do think that teaching children that their faith is the only true faith is a bad thing and leads to intolerance towards others.

Ah, so you're already moving goalposts. You went from "exactly" saying indoctrinating children into a religion is bad to teaching children that there is only one true faith is bad. You can be of a certain faith and not believe that everyone not of your faith is going to hell for it.

Please stop lumping all faiths together. I grew up Lutheran and there was never any blind hatred towards other religions. I have never seen a video of Christians calling for others to have their heads chopped off. I do not think all Muslims are bad. The ones taking their religion to mean things like kill non-believers are a problem. The big problem I have with Muslims in general are how so few of them denounce the ones calling for killings and terrorist actions. They are making you look bad by association, and by staying silent on it you make others questions if you agree with it. That doesn't make me anti-Muslim.

Now, if you want to argue against indoctrination, please include in your condemnations climate change zealots, parents who convert their kids to drag queens before puberty, public schools, etc...

[Montegriffo]

The mistake you are in danger of making here is comparing incitement to hatred with criticism.
If I criticise the Catholic church for the way they ignored and covered up cases of priests sexually abusing children I'm not falling foul of hate speech legislation.
If I suggest that because of the numerous cases of abuse Catholics should not be allowed to enter the country and they have no place in Western society then that could be called inciting religious hatred.
That is why well known alias Tommy Robinson has been banned from Mosques in the Luton area. Not because he criticised the police for not following up on the allegations of child abuse in the Muslim community.
Criticising mistakes in policing or the failures of the Catholic church is not the same as lumping together a whole religion and calling for their expulsion.

[Montegriffo]

I agree that those in the Muslim faith who fail to condemn terror attacks or Catholics who refuse to act on child abuse are making their faiths look bad. I believe this to be a result of the indoctrination which taught them to believe that criticism of their faith will result in spending the afterlife in eternal hell.
Protestants may be less guilty of fire and brimstone preaching than other major religions but they still insist that their God and their version of the scriptures is the one true way.

[clubgop]

I agree that those in the Muslim faith who fail to condemn terror attacks or Catholics who refuse to act on child abuse are making their faiths look bad. I believe this to be a result of the indoctrination which taught them to believe that criticism of their faith will result in spending the afterlife in eternal hell.
Protestants may be less guilty of fire and brimstone preaching than other major religions but they still insist that their God and their version of the scriptures is the one true way.

And dont get him started on those pesky Jews. "See, it's not hate speech when I do it, just you." No standards, no principles, just a lust for power.

[PartyOf5]

I agree that those in the Muslim faith who fail to condemn terror attacks or Catholics who refuse to act on child abuse are making their faiths look bad. I believe this to be a result of the indoctrination which taught them to believe that criticism of their faith will result in spending the afterlife in eternal hell.

You actually believe that Muslims don't condemn terrorist attacks made in the name of their faith and Catholics remain quiet about their leaders child abuse because they fear criticizing those actions will result in their damnation? Right, because child molestation is the 11th commandment. Speak out against it and you are going to hell. That's what all good Catholics are taught.

I can't keep up with all your stupid statements.

[heydaralon]

UK is a lost cause. I don't think we should have any alliances or treaties with such a gross Islamized island rife with inbreeding, sodomy, shariah, and Stalinism. Best to let them wither away and die the slow death they have brought upon themselves. One thing we can all agree on (including Monte) is that the collapse and destruction of the UK won't be mourned by anyone.

[StCapps]

The line between criticism and hate speech is not a line that should be left up to legal system. They are liable to confuse criticism with hate speech, as montegriffo does on a regular basis. Monte can see that when he criticizes it's not hate speech, but when someone else does it whose politics he doesn't like, then he knows it's hate speech, because he can read their mind.

[clubgop]

The line between criticism and hate speech is not a line that should be left up to legal system. They are liable to confuse criticism with hate speech, as montegriffo does on a regular basis.

regular basis, being all the damn time.

[Montegriffo]

UK is a lost cause. I don't think we should have any alliances or treaties with such a gross Islamized island rife with inbreeding, sodomy, shariah, and Stalinism. Best to let them wither away and die the slow death they have brought upon themselves. One thing we can all agree on (including Monte) is that the collapse and destruction of the UK won't be mourned by anyone.

Yeah, what has Britain ever done for us...

...apart from the industrial revolution, Isacc Newton, Magna Carta, Shakespeare, the abolition of slavery, the Battle of Britain, the jet engine, the train, television, the world wide web, stereo, the electric motor, the computer, tanks, radar, the lightbulb (Joseph Swann not Edison), logarithms, the reflecting telescope, the seed drill, virtually every ball game ever played, the iron bridge, the threshing machine, vaccines, percussion firearms, tarmac roads, the electromagnet, electric generators, the pedal bicycle, the electric telegraph, postage stamps, steam-powered screw propeller-driven passenger liners, solar panels, the flush toilet, fingerprints for forensic science, the discovery of the electron, DNA, the electronic calculator, carbon fibre, the ATM, test tube babies, cloning, the SMS message, graphene...

...apart from that, what has Britain ever done for us?