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by Speaker to Animals » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:23 pm
GloryofGreece wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:15 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:37 am
The most concerning part of what is happening is that, technically, jobs are booming. This really is all we are going to get. It doesn't get better than this. People are working, but they don't make enough to live decent lives. We have record unemployment and yet real incomes are still stagnant.
You can only spin the economic wheels like this for so long before something has to give.
Its about quality of life and unfortunately the best most can hope for is a cost of living wage "job" and very little time with their families or other kin. Chances are most delay having children too the point they have fertility issues (who knows all the other environmental/cultural factors are causing the huge decline) and then they get to pay outrageous hospital and "medical" costs and again hope they don't lose their job if/when their kid needs them to take off work and so on. Most likely you'll move 7 times in your adulthood again mostly for a job and again losing connections, community, and culture along the way.
It's really a very destructive economic ideology that led to this.
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by DBTrek » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:27 pm
The same destructive economic ideology that has led to mass literacy, unprecedented lifespans, the highest standard of human living ever achieved, and sustainable agriculture capable of supporting billions of human lives.
Yeah, it’s a real bitch.
/shrug
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by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:28 pm
DBTrek wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:27 pm
The same destructive economic ideology that has led to mass literacy, unprecedented lifespans, the highest standard of human living ever achieved, and sustainable agriculture capable of supporting billions of human lives.
Yeah, it’s a real bitch.
/shrug
Indeed. Even in Socialist Canada we are dining out on the American wealth generating machine.
In fact, that's the only thing propping this socialistic basket case up.
Trump is right. Even just restricting the flow of American wealth at the border, would be the ruination of Canada.
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by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:34 pm
The Flight to Quality is the source of all American wealth and power.
We are fleeing towards the protection of property at 700 Constitution Avenue in DC.
As Capps likes to say, America doesn't have to be the fastest ever, she just has to be faster than everyone else.
Which she is, since everyone else is a freedom hating confiscatory nanny police state of one sort or another.
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by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:38 pm
That's why its a Flight.
We are fleeing our freedom hating police states towards the light of civilization itself.
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by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:41 pm
This is why the Debt Doom scenario is balderdash.
The world has nowhere else to go.
America is the only safe harbor for capital.
There is no competitor, so the world has no choice but to render unto Federal Reserve Caesar.
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by DBTrek » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:42 pm
Don’t get me wrong, there’s more to life than money. Maybe we all woulda been happier living in teepees and hunting Buffalo with our tribes. Maybe putting in a good day of block-moving for the pharaoh and getting paid in beer (or whip lashings) would’ve led to a more fulfilling life. Who can say?
I do know I wouldn’t trade my life today to go join some tribe clinging on the edges of civilization. Nor will I drag blocks for Kim Jong Un.
So out of the competing economic systems we have today ... I’ll take capitalism, thanks. I’m open to changing my mind when a better economic system appears. If Star Trek replicators show up and solve the problem of scarcity, then I’ll probably join team fuck-a-40-hour-work-week.
But not today.
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by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:47 pm
DBTrek wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:42 pm
Don’t get me wrong, there’s more to life than money. Maybe we all woulda been happier living in teepees and hunting Buffalo with our tribes. Maybe putting in a good day of block-moving for the pharaoh and getting paid in beer (or whip lashings) would’ve led to a more fulfilling life. Who can say?
I do know I wouldn’t trade my life today to go join some tribe clinging on the edges of civilization. Nor will I drag blocks for Kim Jong Un.
So out of the competing economic systems we have today ... I’ll take capitalism, thanks. I’m open to changing my mind when a better economic system appears. If Star Trek replicators show up and solve the problem of scarcity, then I’ll probably join team fuck-a-40-hour-work-week.
But not today.
Capitalism isn't actually about working at the coal face.
It was supposed to make less work not more.
It's more about speculation than work.
Work is the inefficient means, ownership is the efficient means.
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by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:50 pm
In my experience you need money to make money.
If someone stakes you capital, you're laughing.
Work doesn't actually generate enough surplus capital to make more capital.
What Mary Hash calls the Lucktocracy.
The Luck is in getting a stake somehow.
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by DBTrek » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:51 pm
Smitty-48 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:47 pm
Capitalism isn't actually about working at the coal face.
It was supposed to make less work not more.
It's more about speculation than work.
Work is the inefficient means, ownership is the efficient means.
I see it more as a “who gets to own” issue.
The State = Communism
Individuals = Capitalism
A mix = Socialism
In capitalism, me or you can be owners of industries. In communism we can’t. Socialism ... it’s dicey.