Brexit

[Speaker to Animals]

Fife is not wrong when he calls it a federal city. These institutional bodies do not represent the will of the people. You can see that quite clearly in England where the British people voted to leave the EU and the Parliament is doing everything they can get away with to undo it.

The deep state is real. It's everywhere. It *is* the left. It's neoliberalism.

[Haumana]

I repeat. I know their arguments but I don't understand them. They make little sense.

Make their best case then and then tear it down.

I've been doing that since this thread started.

Immigration-
Immigration will not decrease as a result of Brexit. We have our lowest unemployment rates in decades. Industries such as agriculture and healthcare rely on immigration to fill the vacancies. The first Brexit secretary Dave Davis said as much only weeks after the vote. He stated that immigration from Europe would not decrease for years as it was essential to the economy.

Trade
''Britain can make its own trade deals once we leave and they will be to our advantage''
False, Britain is in a much better position with reference to international trade as a part of the worlds largest trading block. New trade deals can take years to agree on and uncertainty in the meantime has a massive detrimental effect on investment. This is reflected in the crash in the value of the pound since the vote.

Return of sovereignty
False, Brexiteer myth. Sovereignty was never lost as demonstrated by our refusal to join the Euro zone or be a part of the Schengen agreement. Both EU policies which we rejected through Parliamentary supremacy.

Return to controlling our own borders.
False, we never lost control of our borders as demonstrated by the tiny number of refugees which make it into the country. Also demonstrated by the Sangatte refugee camp where those unable to get to the UK spent months trying and failing until it was shut down by the authorities.

Britain will be better off economically after we leave.
False. The government reports on the effects of leaving were so damning that they tried to suppress their release. Especially leaving without a deal.

£350 million per week to spend on the NHS.
Outright lie on the side of a bus. The figure didn't take into account the rebate we receive from the EU amounting to around £70 million a week or the money we receive from the EU for infrastructure investment, agricultural subsidies and investment in deprived areas, nor were there any guarantees that the money would be spent on the NHS. Nor did it represent the economic benefits which we gain as an EU member which outnumbers the amount we pay into the EU.

Who did you copy and paste?

It doesn't come off as a good faith effort on your part. Just saying.

[StCapps]

Parliament derives it's supremacy by way of The Crown.

[Montegriffo]

It's already there, dude.

What is the point of even discussing anything with people like Monty? If our arguments win and we win an election, Monty wants to redo the election until he gets the outcome he wants (and don't fool yourself that he would allow the reverse to happen if his side wins). He supports going after a decent man, putting him on trial over and over and over until they get a conviction that will stick.

These people are your enemies. They aren't your countrymen any longer. He doesn't even believe in England any longer. He cares more about falafel than his own countrymen.

Discuss? Don't make me laugh. You never discuss anything with me, you simply construct strawmen and misrepresent my arguments every time.
Suggesting Yaxley Lennon, a man with numerous criminal convictions ranging from violence to mortgage fraud and attempting to enter the US on false documents, is a decent man or that I don't believe in England and don't care for my own countrymen are perfect examples of this.
Your lies and distortions are there for everyone to see.

[Smitty-48]

The Parliament did it to keep the The King's Peace, that is how they justified it.
/shrugs

George III had massive influence at that time, Lord North was not really in charge.

The King wanted the Founders hung from the yardarm, he was the one pushing for the revolution to be crushed.

He invoked it as a dire peril to the Empire writ large.

North said maybe they should sue for peace, was the King who said "fuck that"

[Speaker to Animals]

Parliament derives it's supremacy by way of The Crown.

They fucking murdered the last king who went against them. They derive their power from themselves.

[Smitty-48]

The power for Queen Elizabeth II to massively influence the government is still in place.

She just chooses not to in order to avoid controversy which would give aid and comfort to republicans.

[StCapps]

Parliament derives it's supremacy by way of The Crown.

They fucking murdered the last king who went against them. They derive their power from themselves.

They murdered a king, and then their commonwealth was overthrown, and the monarchy was restored. Did you stop reading before you got to that part, or something?

[Montegriffo]

Make their best case then and then tear it down.

I've been doing that since this thread started.

Immigration-
Immigration will not decrease as a result of Brexit. We have our lowest unemployment rates in decades. Industries such as agriculture and healthcare rely on immigration to fill the vacancies. The first Brexit secretary Dave Davis said as much only weeks after the vote. He stated that immigration from Europe would not decrease for years as it was essential to the economy.

Trade
''Britain can make its own trade deals once we leave and they will be to our advantage''
False, Britain is in a much better position with reference to international trade as a part of the worlds largest trading block. New trade deals can take years to agree on and uncertainty in the meantime has a massive detrimental effect on investment. This is reflected in the crash in the value of the pound since the vote.

Return of sovereignty
False, Brexiteer myth. Sovereignty was never lost as demonstrated by our refusal to join the Euro zone or be a part of the Schengen agreement. Both EU policies which we rejected through Parliamentary supremacy.

Return to controlling our own borders.
False, we never lost control of our borders as demonstrated by the tiny number of refugees which make it into the country. Also demonstrated by the Sangatte refugee camp where those unable to get to the UK spent months trying and failing until it was shut down by the authorities.

Britain will be better off economically after we leave.
False. The government reports on the effects of leaving were so damning that they tried to suppress their release. Especially leaving without a deal.

£350 million per week to spend on the NHS.
Outright lie on the side of a bus. The figure didn't take into account the rebate we receive from the EU amounting to around £70 million a week or the money we receive from the EU for infrastructure investment, agricultural subsidies and investment in deprived areas, nor were there any guarantees that the money would be spent on the NHS. Nor did it represent the economic benefits which we gain as an EU member which outnumbers the amount we pay into the EU.

Who did you copy and paste?

It doesn't come off as a good faith effort on your part. Just saying.

Oh fuck off. I just spent 15 minutes of my own time trying to answer your question and you dismiss it summarily with ''who did you copy and paste?''
You have no right to talk about good faith if that is the level you respond at.

I'm not wasting any more of my time on you if that's how you are going to behave.

[StCapps]

The parliament deposed and murdered the king, quickly found out that it was a terrible idea, then begged a foreign king to come in and restore the monarchy, and he obliged.