Brexit

[StCapps]

It doesn't matter how many times that restricting speech or guns fails to achieve what Monte wants it achieve, and in fact makes the situation worse, because he simply chalks that up to the restrictions not going far enough.

Derp.

[Smitty-48]

I'm the opposite to Otern. Otern is trying to save the left from themselves.

I favor reversing the Brexit vote, not even with another referendum.

Ideally May would fall, Corbyn would take over, and then he would reverse it by decree.

At some point a far more right wing government will be coming to the UK.

The way to get there, is to feed the lefties rope.

[StCapps]

I'm the opposite to Otern. Otern is trying to save the left from themselves.

I favor reversing the Brexit vote, not even with another referendum.

Ideally May would fall, Corbyn would take over, and then he would reverse it by decree.

At some point a far more right wing government will be coming to the UK.

The way to get there, is to feed the lefties rope.

Tanking FTW.

[Montegriffo]

Well that just ignores the opinions of the millions who voted to stay. In a population of 65 million the difference between leave or stay was a few hundred thousand votes.
Under those circumstances it is far from undemocratic to ask again. Especially now that the consequences are better known.

Again, you're flogging the dead horse. The referendum was about one thing; should Britain leave the EU or not. And you chose to leave. You have taken the decision to leave. You are going to leave.

Now you need to work on how you're going to leave. Leave with or without a deal. It would be better to leave with a deal, but you're leaving anyway.

Of course the entire premise for the referendum might have been a bit fucked up, when it was a simple majority decision, and it was rushed, and people weren't informed on either side. But this is how the referendum was set up, and it's too late to change the rules, once the game is over. You're going to leave, and that's it. You should have made the rules of the referendum better before entering it. Maybe going for at least 2/3 to get to a decision. But you didn't, so you can't.

Even the EU realize this. They're at least trying to appear democratic, and they realize pulling out now is way too late. They can't let you just have another referendum, leaving the original referendum irrelevant. You made the choice to leave, and so you're leaving, whatever that means.

And don't think I say this just because I wanted Brexit. I also wanted Scotland to be independent. But they voted against independence, so they're stuck. It would've been better for everyone if Scotland was independent, as they want to remain in the EU, and then the Brexit support would be even more solid. More people would get whatever they wanted this way. But they chose not to, and now they have to live with it.

Again, the vote to leave majority was tiny and the public was badly led by failed politicians like Farage.
The choice was not clear. The choice was vague and many of the voters chose Brexit as a protest vote against the Tories.
A simple majority on the most important decision the British public has made in living memory was a huge mistake. Especially when the majority was tiny and the campaign was misled on all sides.
There was no public consultation on the rules. Cameron was so sure that remain would win and he miscalculated so badly the lengths the Brexit campaign would go to mislead the public that he had no choice but to fall on his sword and go into hiding when he lost.
We are now suffering for his mistakes and we live in such a climate of division that MPs are not safe to walk to Parliament without fear of intimidation and death threats.
That is what has undermined our democracy not the possibility of a second vote on May's deal.

[Montegriffo]

The national security police state is happy to have the state propaganda arm undermine democracy.

That simply incites more extremism from all quarters.

Which is the bread and butter of the British national security police state tyranny.

The classic Self Licking Ice Cream Cone.

The extremism comes only from one quarter.
The murder of a democratically elected MP was not propaganda.


This is why the far-right National Action group was banned and the Neo-Nazi thug James Goddard is now facing prosecution for harassing and intimidating Anna Soubry, another democratically elected MP.

Killing MPs is how you undermine democracy.

Undermining democracy with lame anti-free speech measures that won't stop MPs from being killed, is a bad idea.

Death threats are not free speech.

[StCapps]

Death threats are not free speech.

Indeed, but free association is free speech. What you support, it's called overkill, faggot.

Death threats were already illegal, therefore no new free speech restrictions are required, yet you push them anyway. Sad.

[Montegriffo]

It doesn't matter how many times that restricting speech or guns fails to achieve what Monte wants it achieve, and in fact makes the situation worse, because he simply chalks that up to the restrictions not going far enough.

Derp.

Irrelevant to the conversation at hand.
Fuck you and the hobby horse you rode in on.

[Smitty-48]

I'm the opposite to Otern. Otern is trying to save the left from themselves.

I favor reversing the Brexit vote, not even with another referendum.

Ideally May would fall, Corbyn would take over, and then he would reverse it by decree.

At some point a far more right wing government will be coming to the UK.

The way to get there, is to feed the lefties rope.

Tanking FTW.

The national security police state is not going away anytime soon.

All you can do is ride a backlash against an overreach to a radically right wing government.

That government will then have control of the national security police state.

Thusly you unleash the martial law against the left and its proxies without mercy nor quarter.

Operation Wrath of Khan

[StCapps]

It doesn't matter how many times that restricting speech or guns fails to achieve what Monte wants it achieve, and in fact makes the situation worse, because he simply chalks that up to the restrictions not going far enough.

Derp.

Irrelevant to the conversation at hand.
Fuck you and the hobby horse you rode in on.

You brought up banning right-wing extremist groups because of Jo Fox, so yeah, it is relevant to the conversation at hand.

[Montegriffo]

Death threats are not free speech.

Indeed, but free association is free speech. What you support, it's called overkill, faggot.

Death threats were already illegal, therefore no new free speech restrictions are required, yet you push them anyway. Sad.

Free association with terrorist organisations whose aims include murder is not free speech.
Fuck you and the hobby horse you rode in on.