Plutarch on animal ethics

[JohnDonne]

What ethics are you talking about? Is eating meat inherently wrong? Or do you just disapprove because in the long run it makes life for meat eating humans worse?

Eating meat is not inherently wrong. Killing sentient beings for pleasure, whether for sport or for food, when the body lives well on plants alone, is unethical

The environmental problems, (which are massive) caused by animal agriculture are unethical for every sentient creature that exists, including humans.

Just think of the amazon rainforest, the most biologically diverse place on earth, and so in the observable universe, and humans are destroying it for a demand of steak and burgers.

[Haumana]

when the body lives well on plants alone, is unethical

Source?

[doc_loliday]

So your argument is that because you feel killing animals is wrong it is wrong?

Also, is sustainability an issue for animals or for people? If its for animals, then you need to demonstrate why your ethics are correct and not just say so. If its an issue for people, then you need to demonstrate why they should care and also demonstrate that it is impossible, without exception and under all circumstances, to eat meat sustainably.

[JohnDonne]

It's safe to say I've spoken to vastly more people about veganism than you have, vaster in quantity and in walks of life. I'll tell you this, virtually everyone, whatever their background expresses concern and regret over unnecessary animal abuse and death. But the general feeling is, how can it be different? Some of those people were from third world countries.The difference between myself and them is they've been indoctrinated to believe it is somehow necessary to kill animals for meat, when actually nothing could be further from the truth. I tell them the truth about the environmental costs, the health costs, and the costs to the animals, and why it doesn't have to be that way. And of course, people resist, I resisted going vegetarian and vegan for years, even when I knew it was the right thing to do. I don't expect anything different from people just hearing these arguments.

[StCapps]

What ethics are you talking about? Is eating meat inherently wrong? Or do you just disapprove because in the long run it makes life for meat eating humans worse?

Eating meat is not inherently wrong. Killing sentient beings for pleasure, whether for sport or for food, when the body lives well on plants alone, is unethical

The environmental problems, (which are massive) caused by animal agriculture are unethical for every sentient creature that exists, including humans.

Just think of the amazon rainforest, the most biologically diverse place on earth, and so in the observable universe, and humans are destroying it for a demand of steak and burgers.

Some animals need to be killed, for the good of environment, and other animals. Saying that killing animals is inherently wrong, shows how ignorant you actually are.

[doc_loliday]

I can assert that I have talked to more people about eating meat. So I am right.

[doc_loliday]

You have to demonstrate that it is wrong, not just assert it.

[JohnDonne]

when the body lives well on plants alone, is unethical

Source?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK396513/

[StCapps]

Like, many animals when left to their own devices, will overbreed and starve without enough food to eat, so culling a portion of them is actually beneficial to the species being killed. Many animals if their populations get too big will kill off other species who are their food source to the point where it could lead to not enough prey to feed on, so not only does the prey have their existence endangered, but so does the predator.

Killing animals is perfectly moral in certain situations, writing off all killing of animals as morally wrong, regardless of how it is done, is just ignorant silliness.

[JohnDonne]

What ethics are you talking about? Is eating meat inherently wrong? Or do you just disapprove because in the long run it makes life for meat eating humans worse?

Eating meat is not inherently wrong. Killing sentient beings for pleasure, whether for sport or for food, when the body lives well on plants alone, is unethical

The environmental problems, (which are massive) caused by animal agriculture are unethical for every sentient creature that exists, including humans.

Just think of the amazon rainforest, the most biologically diverse place on earth, and so in the observable universe, and humans are destroying it for a demand of steak and burgers.

Some animals need to be killed, for the good of environment, and other animals. Saying that killing animals is inherently wrong, shows how ignorant you actually are.

This is what I wrote dude, you don't need to put words in my mouth.

Eating meat is not inherently wrong. Killing sentient beings for pleasure, whether for sport or for food, when the body lives well on plants alone, is unethical