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Re: 2020 election

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:19 pm

StCapps wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:55 pm
pineapplemike wrote:
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yeah capps, harris is the establishment candidate. you havent seen the difference between coverage of her and coverage of bernie? that should tell you all you need to know
She's only getting the coverage, because Biden hasn't announced yet, he's the establishment candidate, intersectional is not the establishment, corporate liberals are the establishment. Don't let the vocal minorities fool you into thinking otherwise, they don't have the numbers on their side, even in the Democrat primaries where they punch well above their weight.
Democrats are not going to nominate Biden, dude. Establishment candidate is DOA.

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Re: 2020 election

Post by StCapps » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:24 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:19 pm
StCapps wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:55 pm
pineapplemike wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:18 am
yeah capps, harris is the establishment candidate. you havent seen the difference between coverage of her and coverage of bernie? that should tell you all you need to know
She's only getting the coverage, because Biden hasn't announced yet, he's the establishment candidate, intersectional is not the establishment, corporate liberals are the establishment. Don't let the vocal minorities fool you into thinking otherwise, they don't have the numbers on their side, even in the Democrat primaries where they punch well above their weight.
Democrats are not going to nominate Biden, dude. Establishment candidate is DOA.
If the far-left remains split, as they are now, Biden remains the favorite. The Intersectional Vote is split to shit, The Socialist Vote is backing Bernie Sanders, and The Establishment Vote is backing Biden. Biden is in the lead for a reason, Bernie needs enough of The Intersectional Vote to beat Biden or enough of The Establishment Vote to beat Harris, while Harris needs The Socialist Vote to beat Biden or enough of The Establishment Vote to beat Bernie.

Biden is not dead in the water, not even close, especially while Bernie and Harris are splitting the far left, along with a bunch of other intersectional lane candidates.
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Re: 2020 election

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:29 pm

Dude, they will figure it out in the nomination process. These people are not fucking stupid. Everybody saw the democratic establishment cannot defeat Trump.

They are going to nominate Bernie, Beto, or maybe Tulsi. This primary is just as wide open as the 2016 republican primary, and you are posting the same shit you did back then about Jeb winning.

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Re: 2020 election

Post by StCapps » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:32 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:29 pm
Dude, they will figure it out in the nomination process. These people are not fucking stupid. Everybody saw the democratic establishment cannot defeat Trump.
If they aren't stupid, then they will realize that the Democratic Establishment will do better against Trump than Far-Left will against Trump, they have even less chance of winning than the establishment. Don't believe me, just ask George McGovern.
Speaker to Animals wrote:
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They are going to nominate Bernie, Beto, or maybe Tulsi. This primary is just as wide open as the 2016 republican primary, and you are posting the same shit you did back then about Jeb winning.
They are going to nominate Biden, Bernie or Harris, with a remote chance of Beto that's barely worth mentioning, it's not wide open.

Tulsi has no chance, because she can't win over any of the three major factions in the Democratic Party, The Establishment is trying to bury her, The Socialists think she too moderate, and The Intersectionals don't think she's enough of a victim, nor does she blow enough sunshine up their asses, to win them over either. Talk about DOA that's Tulsi, not Biden.

Wishful thinking is a hell of a drug. You need to base your analysis more on what you think will happen, and less on what you hope will happen, that's your problem.

This isn't 2016, 2016 had no incumbent, that changes everything. Stop comparing an election year with an incumbent, to an election year without one, the dynamic is completely different, American political history shows us this. The fact that politicians like Mondale, Dole, Kerry and Romney won the last four consecutive party nominations to run against an incumbent POTUS that was likely to be re-elected, should make that plain as day. The establishment cleans up in primaries to run against an incumbent POTUS who is likely to be re-elected, four straight victories don't lie.
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Re: 2020 election

Post by clubgop » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:29 pm

StCapps wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:55 pm
pineapplemike wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:18 am
yeah capps, harris is the establishment candidate. you havent seen the difference between coverage of her and coverage of bernie? that should tell you all you need to know
She's only getting the coverage, because Biden hasn't announced yet, he's the establishment candidate, intersectional is not the establishment, corporate liberals are the establishment. Don't let the vocal minorities fool you into thinking otherwise, they don't have the numbers on their side, even in the Democrat primaries where they punch well above their weight.
Just listen to her California constituents here. She is establishment, she is intersectional because California and the far left has seized the primaries. But she will say anything and do anything for power. She Hillary with a tan.

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Re: 2020 election

Post by StCapps » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:32 pm

clubgop wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:29 pm
StCapps wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:55 pm
pineapplemike wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:18 am
yeah capps, harris is the establishment candidate. you havent seen the difference between coverage of her and coverage of bernie? that should tell you all you need to know
She's only getting the coverage, because Biden hasn't announced yet, he's the establishment candidate, intersectional is not the establishment, corporate liberals are the establishment. Don't let the vocal minorities fool you into thinking otherwise, they don't have the numbers on their side, even in the Democrat primaries where they punch well above their weight.
Just listen to her California constituents here. She is establishment, she is intersectional because California and the far left has seized the primaries. But she will say anything and do anything for power. She Hillary with a tan.
Almost all politicians will say anything to get elected, that doesn't make them Hillary Clinton.
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Re: 2020 election

Post by Zlaxer » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:51 pm

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Re: 2020 election

Post by pineapplemike » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:02 am

https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeGravel teasing a democratic primary run to push Tulsi and Bernie's views into the mainstream

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Re: 2020 election

Post by PartyOf5 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:10 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:29 pm
Dude, they will figure it out in the nomination process. These people are not fucking stupid. Everybody saw the democratic establishment cannot defeat Trump.
They can, they just picked the least likable option. I believe that in 2016 Biden would have beaten Trump. Sanders would have been a closer race, while Hillary was the worst possible choice due to her health at the time, the email scandal, and her general un-likability.

I still say it's 50/50 between an establishment candidate like Biden or a far left one like Harris. Not 50/50 between those 2, just using them as examples of the two types. My gut tells me someone (or two) will join the race later to give less time for the opposition to plan attacks and for the candidate to mess up. Don't be surprised to see a celebrity join in. These early announcement candidates will burn out before the primaries even begin.

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Re: 2020 election

Post by StCapps » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:06 pm

Sanders would have lost to Trump worse than Clinton, Biden probably would have done slightly better, but would still likely have lost. Those who think Trump only won because he ran against Hillary, are going to find out just how wrong they are in 2020.
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