What's going on in India?

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:59 pm

That is the entire air war strategy of both China and Russia.

Of course they can do it. Especially Russia. Once the tanker is in range of their drone fighters it dies, and every last F-35 depending on it goes down with no fuel.

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Re: What's going on in India?

Post by StCapps » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:00 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:59 pm
That is the entire air war strategy of both China and Russia.

Of course they can do it. Especially Russia. Once the tanker is in range of their drone fighters it dies, and every last F-35 depending on it goes down with no fuel.
Yeah and that strategy isn't going to work, Russia and China know this, but Zerohedge does not, and neither do you apparently.

The tanker doesn't need to be in range of their weapons, they simply need to get the F-35s into the range of their S2AM's, and then take them out, then they can move in after, no need to expose themselves.
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Re: What's going on in India?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:05 pm

LOL

Shooting down a tanker is as easy as shooting down an airliner.

Russia will just launch fighter drones racing out at mach 4 to engage the fucking things and kill them. Do the F-35s expend their only four useful missiles to protect the tankers or engage the fifth gen fighters prowling for them?


Either way the F-35 dies. It either runs out of fuel or gets shot down for lack of weapons.

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Re: What's going on in India?

Post by Hastur » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:06 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:43 pm
Hastur wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:34 pm
Smitty-48 wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:53 am


Russia is and has been for decades the main arms dealer to India.

The Indian Army is mostly T-90's and BMP-2's

The Indian Air Force flies Soviet MiGs and Russian Sukhois.

The Indian Navy uses Russian kit as well.

The Indians like to buy from a stable of vendors, as a political weapon, and in case a vendor would cut them off with sanctions.

Also, they like the Russian kit because it is cheap and plentiful, so it provides them with mass at an affordable price.
India ended up on the wrong side after kicking out the British. It was an enemy of my enemy kind of situation and the Soviets just slid in like Russia never lost the great game. Ironic really.
Sweden sold India some great howitzers but that led to a great corruption scandal.
We're back now though, trying to sell them J39s. It's one of the biggest arms buyers out there not having to bow to NATO interests.
Good question in here is: why isn't Sweden selling them those Grippen lawn darts?

Sweden is a good supplier of kit because they don't usually take sides. They make decent equipment for what it is.
It's because of that huge Bofors scandal with the howitzers. They poisoned the well for a long time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors_scandal
We are back now though. The Indians are even license manufacturing Carl Gustav grenade rifles now.
Talks about Gripen is on.

Meanwhile we sold the Pakistanis our Saab 340 AEW&C.
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Re: What's going on in India?

Post by StCapps » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:07 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:05 pm
LOL

Shooting down a tanker is as easy as shooting down an airliner.

Russia will just launch fighter drones racing out at mach 4 to engage the fucking things and kill them. Do the F-35s expend their only four useful missiles to protect the tankers or engage the fifth gen fighters prowling for them?


Either way the F-35 dies. It either runs out of fuel or gets shot down for lack of weapons.
Can't shoot it down, if it's too far away. The tankers will stay out of range, the F-35 will be in range, and then fly back out of range to refuel, until it's safe to move them in closer, because the remaining weapons are out of reach. When they run out of missiles, they can simply retreat.

You are simply trying to make the problem out to be bigger than it is, because you are a SIFCLF whose confirmation bias is that the sky is falling. You are basically parroting the arguments straight out SuburbanFarmer's playbook, and trying to sound smart.
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Re: What's going on in India?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:11 pm

Watch this video:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26 ... bfZa2n4UfM

Airmen drives the point home to Mark Cuban.

The military procurement system is utterly broken and it's going to cost us a war.

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Re: What's going on in India?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:12 pm

StCapps wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:07 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:05 pm
LOL

Shooting down a tanker is as easy as shooting down an airliner.

Russia will just launch fighter drones racing out at mach 4 to engage the fucking things and kill them. Do the F-35s expend their only four useful missiles to protect the tankers or engage the fifth gen fighters prowling for them?


Either way the F-35 dies. It either runs out of fuel or gets shot down for lack of weapons.
Can't shoot it down, if it's too far away. The tankers will stay out of range, the F-35 will be in range, and then fly back out of range to refuel, until it's safe to move them in closer, because the remaining weapons are out of reach. When they run out of missiles, they can simply retreat.

You are simply trying to make the problem out to be bigger than it is, because you are SIFCLF whose confirmation bias is that the sky is falling.
That is not really true. In order to get the F-35 in range to do anything useful, you have to move those tankers in range. The tanker's limitations are driven by the poor range of the F-35.

Ideally, yes, the tanker stays well outside the theater, but realistically, no, it can't work like that any longer because the F-35 has really poor range.


The reality is that, for all its bells and whistles, you cannot separate the F-35 from the tanker because of this shit range it has. Thus an F-35 is as vulnerable as the tanker that gets it to the battle, which frankly is not much more secure than an airliner.
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Re: What's going on in India?

Post by StCapps » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:13 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:11 pm
Watch this video:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26 ... bfZa2n4UfM

Airmen drives the point home to Mark Cuban.

The military procurement system is utterly broken and it's going to cost us a war.
America is so corrupt that it will collapse any day now and China will take over. Thanks Zerohedge, I think we get the point, but then again, maybe you should bring the RAND corporation up some more.
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Re: What's going on in India?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:14 pm

StCapps wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:13 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:11 pm
Watch this video:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26 ... bfZa2n4UfM

Airmen drives the point home to Mark Cuban.

The military procurement system is utterly broken and it's going to cost us a war.
America is so corrupt that it will collapse any day now and China will take over. Thanks Zerohedge, I think we get the point.

You could not have even read that article and listened to what the airman had to say in the few seconds between the post and your reply. You are a joke. Don't respond to shit you didn't bother to read.