Let us talk about religion, but not in the way you think.

[jediuser598]

I have come around to the idea of God in some form or another. I really don't know who or what to believe though.

Welcome to the club.
It might be hubris to assume we could "know" what to believe, as in grasp the concept, even if it were presented to us.


We can, however, identify a superior model for living life when we see one. Religions tend to hit all three - searching for wisdom, working hard, caring for a family. So even if we can't grasp the concept or truth of a deity, we can at least observe the lives of those who try and contrast them with those who do not.

I think you point out an error a lot of non-religious people make, that we can learn nothing from religious people. Say what you want about the religious, those people know how to build community. Straight up. Human beings need community to be peak healthy, so how to build sustainable community without religion.

[Speaker to Animals]

I have come around to the idea of God in some form or another. I really don't know who or what to believe though.

Welcome to the club.
It might be hubris to assume we could "know" what to believe, as in grasp the concept, even if it were presented to us.


We can, however, identify a superior model for living life when we see one. Religions tend to hit all three - searching for wisdom, working hard, caring for a family. So even if we can't grasp the concept or truth of a deity, we can at least observe the lives of those who try and contrast them with those who do not.

I think you point out an error a lot of non-religious people make, that we can learn nothing from religious people. Say what you want about the religious, those people know how to build community. Straight up. Human beings need community to be peak healthy, so how to build sustainable community without religion.

The reality is that religious people are normal. It is non-religious who just destroy community. As a fucking rule. There is nothing special about community-building. It comes from being pro-family and non-degenerate.

[Montegriffo]

God is love.
Unless you are a faggot and then he really really hates you.
But God is like that, no consistency, no compassion, no love. Unless you follow his rules.

[heydaralon]

The idea of secularism is a historical anomaly. It is not a differentiation that ancient man would have even made. They viewed all their activities as sacred and tied to religion. Ironically, the separation of Church and State into two separate spheres started with Jesus (render unto Caesar etc.) and St. Augustine city of god vs city of man.

[brewster]

There is no before the big bang

Not in THIS universe, but that is the extent of our knowledge. Ignorance is not proof of the divine.

LOL

Science fiction much?

Perhaps you should have kept reading about science and not stopped when it confirmed your beliefs. Serious scientists, including Hawking, have conteplated the Multiverse Theory.

Https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43976977

Prof Stephen Hawking's final research paper suggests that our Universe may be one of many similar to our own.

The theory resolves a cosmic paradox of the late physicist's own making.

It also points a way forward for astronomers to find evidence of the existence of parallel universes.

The study was submitted to the Journal of High-Energy Physics 10 days before Prof Hawking died.

In the 1980s, the Cambridge scientist, along with US physicist James Hartle developed a new idea about the beginning of the Universe.

This resolved a difficulty with Einstein's theory that suggested that the Universe began nearly 14 billion years ago but said nothing about how it began.

Instead, the Hartle-Hawking idea used a different theory called quantum mechanics to explain how the Universe arose from nothingness.

The idea tied up one loose end but created another - an infinite number some might say.

As physicists analysed the idea it emerged that it carried with it the implication that the Big Bang would create not just one universe - but an endless supply.

[Speaker to Animals]

Not in THIS universe, but that is the extent of our knowledge. Ignorance is not proof of the divine.

LOL

Science fiction much?

Perhaps you should have kept reading about science and not stopped when it confirmed your beliefs. Serious scientists, including Hawking, have conteplated the Multiverse Theory.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43976977

There exists zero actual science to prove "another universe before this one". That's science fiction. The statement doesn't even make any sense. There was nothing "before" the Big Bang. Time begins at the Big Bang. Space begins at the Big Bang. All matter and energy begin at the Big Bang.

[heydaralon]

There exists zero actual science to prove "another universe before this one". That's science fiction. The statement doesn't even make any sense. There was nothing "before" the Big Bang. Time begins at the Big Bang. Space begins at the Big Bang. All matter and energy begin at the Big Bang.

You do realize that Dan Harmon, the creator of Rick and Morty, read the entire Stephen Hawking and Neil DeGrasse Tyson wikipedia pages before he made the show, which prominently featured the multiverse science, especially in the grasshopper mutant episode. I guess people like you are too stupid to understand that Rick's pickle quips not only represent the existential crisis that humans face on a daily basis, but it also thoroughly disproves religion. Get back to me when you get to the season 2 cliffhanger...

[SuburbanFarmer]

Without organized religion, who would tell me not to beat my kids to death?

[Speaker to Animals]

Without organized religion, who would tell me not to beat my kids to death?

Good question. It was totally legal and legitimate for a man to beat his children to death in the paganized Roman empire. Muslim immigrants beat their children to death for various slights in our own countries now and again.

Where do you think you got the notion that it was definitely not okay to beat your children to death? Especially considering the fact that the loss of Christian values leads people to believe they have a right to murder their own babies.

[TheReal_ND]

Tbf Muslim scripture did try and address the issue by dictating the thickness of the stick you are allowed to beat your wife with. I think there are a lot of things we can learn from Muslims.