Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[C-Mag]

Don't they know the current most trendy weapon to use aganst the government is The Fork Life of Peace?

Well played.

Antifa is an International Terrorist Organization.

Nope. I don't even think they're a domestic terrorist group in the US. It would be like labelling "White Supremacists" a terrorist group, i.e. labelling anyone - no matter how they manifested their white supremacist beliefs, a terrorist. Antifa is not one organization that coordinates all the criminal vandalism, assaults, thefts or killings each person who claims to be an antifa member, after all.

According to our government they are at least Domestic Terroists.
https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-01-07- ... group.html#

I think the history of their political violence makes a pretty good case as an International Terrorist Organization

[BjornP]

Well played.

Antifa is an International Terrorist Organization.

Nope. I don't even think they're a domestic terrorist group in the US. It would be like labelling "White Supremacists" a terrorist group, i.e. labelling anyone - no matter how they manifested their white supremacist beliefs, a terrorist. Antifa is not one organization that coordinates all the criminal vandalism, assaults, thefts or killings each person who claims to be an antifa member, after all.

According to our government they are at least Domestic Terroists.
https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-01-07- ... group.html#

I think the history of their political violence makes a pretty good case as an International Terrorist Organization

Nope, nor does it say that "antifa" are terrorist. Again, it would be absurd to label all people who call themselves "anti-fascist" a terrorist organization, just as absurd as calling white supremacists terrorists. Some may be, but unless that specific group, or that specific individual has been proven to engage in organized acts of violence against the state or fellow citizens, they don't belong on a terror watch list. Otherwise we're in "thought police" territory.

[Speaker to Animals]

It is a terrorist ideology.

[BjornP]

Ideologies are thoughts and dreams. I prefer the State arrest those who do violence because they did violence, not arrest those who think, dream, fantasize about, or legitimize others doing violence for whatever reason. Criminal acts, not criminal thoughts, and preferebly no criminal words, either.

[Montegriffo]

Ideologies are thoughts and dreams. I prefer the State arrest those who do violence because they did violence, not arrest those who think, dream, fantasize about, or legitimize others doing violence for whatever reason. Criminal acts, not criminal thoughts, and preferably no criminal words, either.

Criminal words are criminal acts.
You may not approve of words being criminal any more than I approve of psycho-active herbs being against the law but it does not change the fact that, in some countries, they are.

[BjornP]

Ideologies are thoughts and dreams. I prefer the State arrest those who do violence because they did violence, not arrest those who think, dream, fantasize about, or legitimize others doing violence for whatever reason. Criminal acts, not criminal thoughts, and preferably no criminal words, either.

Criminal words are criminal acts.
You may not approve of words being criminal any more than I approve of psycho-active herbs being against the law but it does not change the fact that, in some countries, they are.

What's written after the bolded part signifies my personal preference. The side-topic is whether or not antifa people or groups as a whole are/should be classified as terrorist. Even you, with your preferences for an "orderly" society, might want to hold off on designating people who simply say "bad words" as terrorists. Antifa like racists don't all go about making the world a "better" place (in their opinion) in the same way. Some might be antifa or racist in an entirely legal - even by British standards - way.

[Montegriffo]

Ideologies are thoughts and dreams. I prefer the State arrest those who do violence because they did violence, not arrest those who think, dream, fantasize about, or legitimize others doing violence for whatever reason. Criminal acts, not criminal thoughts, and preferably no criminal words, either.

Criminal words are criminal acts.
You may not approve of words being criminal any more than I approve of psycho-active herbs being against the law but it does not change the fact that, in some countries, they are.

What's written after the bolded part signifies my personal preference. The side-topic is whether or not antifa people or groups as a whole are/should be classified as terrorist. Even you, with your preferences for an "orderly" society, might want to hold off on designating people who simply say "bad words" as terrorists. Antifa like racists don't all go about making the world a "better" place (in their opinion) in the same way. Some might be antifa or racist in an entirely legal - even by British standards - way.

Which is why I spoke only of criminal acts and not terrorist ones.
A crime only becomes a terrorist act when it attempts to change society through violence such as the yellow vest protesters who destroy property and are responsible for deaths and injuries.
Many Antifa supporters commit acts of terrorism but the organisation itself, as you say, is only terroristic if it organises those acts.
Opposing racism, bigotry and fascism is not even a criminal act if it merely protests peacefully.

[BjornP]

Changing a society by violent means is usually called revolution. Labelling the Yellow Vests as "terrorists"... I won't waste more time than neccesary, so suffice to say I disagree with such a label.

Most of your other points I agree with.

[Montegriffo]

Changing a society by violent means is usually called revolution. Labelling the Yellow Vests as "terrorists"... I won't waste more time than neccesary, so suffice to say I disagree with such a label.

Most of your other points I agree with.

I labelled yellow vest protesters who destroyed property and were responsible for deaths and injuries as terrorists.
The majority of them were peaceful demonstrators, as was their right.

Some, such as Carlus, label Antifa as terrorists for their violent actions but support the same actions from the yellow vests. Presumably, because he supports the aims of the YVs but not those of anti-fascists.
I oppose political violence by any side in a democratic society.

[C-Mag]

Antifa is dedicated to violence.

Yellow Vests are based on getting relief from bad government policy that is negatively affecting the working class.