Let us talk about religion, but not in the way you think.

[SuburbanFarmer]

The basic ideas you take for granted about the individual, society etc are from a belief system that explicitly and fundamentally derives from Christianity. This is a historical fact.

Uhh, I think my Jewish forebears would beg to differ. And remember, JC was a Jewboy.

the Old Testament of the Bible, a famous Christian book?

[heydaralon]

Uhh, I think my Jewish forebears would beg to differ. And remember, JC was a Jewboy.

the Old Testament of the Bible, a famous Christian book?

Points for trying buddy, points for trying. Just because the Jews wrote and use the old Testament, does not mean its not a part of the Christian Bible. If John Locke and the subsequent Enlightenment Thinkers had been Jewish, you might have a point. As Speaker and others have proven on here time and again, you really know nothing about Religion.

[heydaralon]

Not denying that the ideas were born out of a largely Christian society, and that Christianity influenced them, but... what does that mean for you? Non-believers be silenced, because we are a theocracy?

Not at all.

Its just interesting to me how in this day in age belief in Christian ideas are rarely discussed (certainly not among anyone my age that I know), yet no one questions Liberalism or any of these other bastardizations of it, which would sort of be the logical conclusion right? I like these ideas, I think they are fine ideas. I haven't been to church in almost a decade, so I'd be lying if I said I was a Christian (or a good one anyway lol). What I have been noticing though is that as Christianity is on the wane among Americans, and the West, the sacred new beliefs we have replaced it with are becoming increasingly repulsive. This Social Justice stuff in all its forms really is just like Christianity. It has original sin, a strict Orthodoxy, idols that need to smashed, sinners that need to be punished, and purifying rituals. The globalism in all its forms seems to me to be very utopian and messianic as well. Venerating diversity for diversity's sake, change for change's sake etc. But more than that, modern life to me feels very empty. Every time modernity undermines some aspect of traditional religion, it creates a void. And that void gets filled with something.

Interesting that you only see one political side as 'replacing religion'. Yet, the sacred beliefs of US Army for God, Flags, and Guns are not the same thing.

I think a big problem with modern culture is the repeated attempts to remove man away from belief. It doesn't work of course, but what ends up happening is that people stop realizing that their beliefs are such and assuming they are facts, which in my opinion is exactly where we are right now. There are some folks who think that commerce and civic nationalism can keep the cultural problems we are coming up against dormant. I hope this is true, but historically, when one old belief system gets eradicated, another worse one takes its place.

So... Judaism was superior to Christianity?

Both sides definitely do it, but ask the people on the right on this forum, and they will happily tell you they are religious. Religion isn't an anathema to the right. The left believes they are above religion and that it is stupid to believe and that it is no longer necessary. Also, I do think all the things you mentioned take on a religious dimension in America, ie guns, military, but in my opinion, nationalism is a far less harmful form of belief than the mindless society destroying globalism and worship of humanity that is trying to replace it.

As far as Christianity being inferior to Judaism, it probably depends on who you ask. What I can say is that Robespierre and the Supreme Being of Reason were far more barbarous than the traditional religion it replaced under Louis XVI. Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin were far more vile than the religions they eradicated by an order of magnitude.

[brewster]

the Old Testament of the Bible, a famous Christian book?

[heydaralon]

the Old Testament of the Bible, a famous Christian book?

loool I kno right? Christians don't read the Old Testament.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Reminds me of an ancient Klingon proverb... ‘To be, or not to be...’

[brewster]

the Old Testament of the Bible, a famous Christian book?

loool I kno right? Christians don't read the Old Testament.

Doesn't make it christian in origin. Just like my wearing a toga doesn't make it Jewish.

This Social Justice stuff in all its forms really is just like Christianity. It has original sin, a strict Orthodoxy, idols that need to smashed, sinners that need to be punished, and purifying rituals.

True enough, but you conveniently left out that Jesus believed in charity and justice for the poor as they do. StA has repeatedly ignored my inquiring as to how people can call themselves Christian while ignoring his core teachings.

[TheReal_ND]

You are allowed to refuse "charity" to chronic abusers. You are not allowed to refuse to render help.

[heydaralon]

loool I kno right? Christians don't read the Old Testament.

Doesn't make it christian in origin. Just like my wearing a toga doesn't make it Jewish.

This Social Justice stuff in all its forms really is just like Christianity. It has original sin, a strict Orthodoxy, idols that need to smashed, sinners that need to be punished, and purifying rituals.

True enough, but you conveniently left out that Jesus believed in charity and justice for the poor as they do. StA has repeatedly ignored my inquiring as to how people can call themselves Christian while ignoring his core teachings.

Many Christians donate to private charity, and volunteer time and money helping those in need. Don't really see why charity to the poor must be facilitated via govt to be a good Christian.

[SuburbanFarmer]

loool I kno right? Christians don't read the Old Testament.

Doesn't make it christian in origin. Just like my wearing a toga doesn't make it Jewish.

This Social Justice stuff in all its forms really is just like Christianity. It has original sin, a strict Orthodoxy, idols that need to smashed, sinners that need to be punished, and purifying rituals.

True enough, but you conveniently left out that Jesus believed in charity and justice for the poor as they do. StA has repeatedly ignored my inquiring as to how people can call themselves Christian while ignoring his core teachings.

Many Christians donate to private charity, and volunteer time and money helping those in need. Don't really see why charity to the poor must be facilitated via govt to be a good Christian.

Well, if one were to argue that such a government were founded and run on Christian principles...