Socialism

[DrYouth]

The left doesn’t even hold their representatives responsible for legislation they pass solely on their own.

You think I'm protecting the Democrats?
LOL

I'm holding them accountable for not having the guts to wield the sword and cut down the insurance companies to the right size.
Obviously the Republicans have been no better.

Lets try to think outside the Bipartisan Polarization machine shall we.

[DBTrek]

Yes, I think your immediate response being to place blame anywhere but at the feet of the Democrats is endemic to the left, and largely a manifestation of their utter inability to accept responsibility for anything.

The response is entirely too predictable and repeatable to be a coincidence.

I invite you all to try the experiment yourself if you doubt.
/shrug

[Speaker to Animals]

The democratic party is run by the same kind of merchant, globalist cunts that infected the GOP. That is why we got Obamacare. This was the one area where the real left had the best solution I know of (single payer). It might have shitty consequences too, but it's not as bad as the alternatives as far as I can tell (unless you can afford 2k+ per month in insurance premiums).

The kernel of truth in the Dan Carlin Fallacy is that these kinds of corporatist shills really did infect the two parties. The solution, however, is to take back control of the parties. The design of our government means we are only ever going to have two major parties. We need them to actually represent the real left and the real right, not globalism.

[brewster]

The design of our government means we are only ever going to have two major parties. We need them to actually represent the real left and the real right, not globalism.

As long as we only have 2 parties, they will both be Frankenstein's Monsters of patched together coalitions, neither being truly left or right. The Freedom Caucus and the Democratic Socialists are interesting developments as distinct entities within their parties. Be funny if there were a self identified "Wall Street Caucus" or "Defense industry Caucus" in the parties, then at least we'd know who their masters were. Personally, I see the best viable way to improve our system is ranked voting.

[Speaker to Animals]

The design of our government means we are only ever going to have two major parties. We need them to actually represent the real left and the real right, not globalism.

As long as we only have 2 parties, they will both be Frankenstein's Monsters of patched together coalitions, neither being truly left or right. The Freedom Caucus and the Democratic Socialists are interesting developments as distinct entities within their parties. Be funny if there were a self identified "Wall Street Caucus" or "Defense industry Caucus" in the parties, then at least we'd know who their masters were. Personally, I see the best viable way to improve our system is ranked voting.

That is exactly what it is supposed to be.

We have a better system than a parliamentarian system where all those factions are their own parties and have to form unstable coalitions.

We form two opposing coalitions in primary elections. Then those two coalitions duke it out in general elections. The alliances are formed between voters and that's how it should be done.

But the gatekeepers in the parties rig the elections to favor corporate shills. Trump broke the globalists in the GOP, but the globalists in the DNC were able to undermine Sanders and put Clinton in the general election when she would not otherwise have won.

[Speaker to Animals]

There isn't a duopoly. There simply exists a parasitic group of elites (globalists) who have hijacked both parties. They sell Americans a song and dance about how they oppose each other, but they only oppose each other on issues they don't really give a shit about. The shit they do care about, like endless wars of empire, corporate deregulation, open borders and demographic replacement.. that shit they all agree on.

This is why Paul Ryan did everything in his power to sabotage Trump the past two years. This is why the neocons voted for Hillary. It's not a duopoly. There just is this single group of shitheads hijacking both parties.

[Speaker to Animals]

And the reason they do this is because, being neither left or right in the traditional sense, they cannot otherwise win. They have to manufacture artificial distinctions between their two groups (which really are one group) and then do everything possible to keep people from thinking about, talking about, and especially voting about real left-right issues.

This is why so many people think "conservative" means free markets and pro-business. It's not. That's liberalism. Neocons hijacked the republican party in the 1980s. They came from the democratic party.

This is why the democratic party elite and their MSM allies have the left constantly in an uproar about lies about Trump. They don't want people getting upset about declining real income, massive debts, endless wars, etc. If democrats got upset about the shit that is actually hurting them, they'd probably vote for another Bernie Sanders and it could be difficult to sabotage another primary.

[Zlaxer]

There isn't a duopoly. There simply exists a parasitic group of elites (globalists) who have hijacked both parties. They sell Americans a song and dance about how they oppose each other, but they only oppose each other on issues they don't really give a shit about. The shit they do care about, like endless wars of empire, corporate deregulation, open borders and demographic replacement.. that shit they all agree on.

This is why Paul Ryan did everything in his power to sabotage Trump the past two years. This is why the neocons voted for Hillary. It's not a duopoly. There just is this single group of shitheads hijacking both parties.

The risk is that the .01% loses control of the monster on the left that they've been growing....and it then consumes everyone.

Elites have a piss poor record of keeping marxism under control IMHO.

[DrYouth]

Elites can ally with either Marxism, or Nationalism or pretty much anything else.

In fact there will always be elites.... and that's not a bad thing.... much worse to pretend that there won't be.

And elites in any world are going to have global interests, because we reside in a globalized economy and a set of global political relationships.

What is key is to make sure that these interest don't "trump" the interests of citizens of the Nation... (npi)

Democrats broke trust on that front and the GOP wasn't doing much better.

Trump has in fact been considerably more credible if not necessarily that much more effective (perhaps somewhat more effective)...

The problem is that trade wars won't necessarily help citizens of the nation... unless he proves to be a 3D chess master at trade wars after all... which he might... jury is out.

[Speaker to Animals]

Trade war is helping us right now.