Socialism

[DBTrek]

It would only take one devastating illness in yourself or a close family member for you to think differently about this.
Illnesses don't only affect the overweight.

I pay almost $1000 a month just in case something like that happens. How would me getting seriously ill while having medical insurance change my mind?

As I said, paying even more to cover everyone else isn’t great for me. In fact, I only have to pay so much because others already do not.

$1000 per month, Jesus Christ you are getting ripped off.
Average YEARLY private health insurance in the UK is £1453.

Bully for you. Every time our government touches healthcare my premiums go up, so this idea that if we simply socialize medicine I'll suddenly be paying $2k a year instead of $12k is pretty much a fantasy.

When the US Government proposes giving everyone in the country healthcare for a measly $2k a year I'm sure all the registered democrats, republicans, greens, libertarians, and minor parties will vote for it. Please let me know when that day arrives, because we've never had a healthcare proposal, socialized or otherwise, that has driven costs *down*.

From a US citizen perspective every vote on socialized or single-payer healthcare boils down to the simple question "Do you want to pay even more than the outlandish costs you currently pay to buy expensive healthcare to people who can't provide it for themselves."
Nope.
Don't wanna.
Thanks.

[Martin Hash]

As long as healthcare providers can become rich doing it, the cost will not go down. It's not a Market where people will accept second-rate knee surgery to save money.

[Speaker to Animals]

I don't see a light at the end of this tunnel with respect to for-profit health insurers and health insurance tied to access to jobs.

[DBTrek]

I don't see a light at the end of this tunnel with respect to for-profit health insurers and health insurance tied to access to jobs.

The web is so tangled as to be nearly impossible to unravel. Consider not only the "for-profit health insurers and health insurance tied to access to jobs" aspect, but the educational one as well. Your average MD is going to rack up hundreds of thousands in college debt (using six year old numbers). That's a deep hole to launch a career from. Then there's going to be the medical malpractice insurance costs. Not to mention the various normal business costs like renting an office space, hiring medical staff, buying medical equipment, etc, etc.

How you going to make being a medical doctor a profitable career and only charge citizens $2k a year? Doctors can't pay off their educations, pay for their medical staff, pay their insurance, rent their office spaces, and buy their various medical equipment off of $2k per person per year.

So Euros and Canadians can talk all they want about the simplicity and elegance of "socialized medicine" while they serve a handful of million people under the protective umbrella of US defense forces. But that shit is not happening here just because some bug-eyed NYer thinks legislating new entitlements magically changes the reality on the ground.

/shrug

[Montegriffo]

Total cost of NHS (2015-2016) - £116 billion
Population 70 million (roughly)
cost per person - £1,657
Profit made by parasitic insurance companies - zero

[Zlaxer]

Total cost of NHS (2015-2016) - £116 billion
Population 70 million (roughly)
cost per person - £1,657
Profit made by parasitic insurance companies - zero

So you're cool with rationing? and preventing people from seeking medical services outside of NHS if they can afford it?

[Montegriffo]

Total cost of NHS (2015-2016) - £116 billion
Population 70 million (roughly)
cost per person - £1,657
Profit made by parasitic insurance companies - zero

So you're cool with rationing? and preventing people from seeking medical services outside of NHS if they can afford it?

Who is prevented from seeking medical services outside the NHS? Private health insurance is available for anyone who wants to pay for it.

ps zombie teddybear children are not a medical service.

[Speaker to Animals]

Total cost of NHS (2015-2016) - £116 billion
Population 70 million (roughly)
cost per person - £1,657
Profit made by parasitic insurance companies - zero

So you're cool with rationing? and preventing people from seeking medical services outside of NHS if they can afford it?

Who is prevented from seeking medical services outside the NHS? Private health insurance is available for anyone who wants to pay for it.

ps zombie teddybear children are not a medical service.

Now you are just trolling.

[Montegriffo]

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/press- ... ess-equity

[Zlaxer]

Total cost of NHS (2015-2016) - £116 billion
Population 70 million (roughly)
cost per person - £1,657
Profit made by parasitic insurance companies - zero

So you're cool with rationing? and preventing people from seeking medical services outside of NHS if they can afford it?

Who is prevented from seeking medical services outside the NHS? Private health insurance is available for anyone who wants to pay for it.

ps zombie teddybear children are not a medical service.

Notice he was silent on rationing...