Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[heydaralon]

The point about earning more in the cities seems to back up the argument that we need to decrease our standard of living in order to get a grip on our overconsumption. I'm not against this as a solution so maybe we start with a polluter pays tax policy.

How would a government identify who is a polluter? Are we talking determining mileage of a citizen's car and calculating the polluter tax based on that? Or other factors as well? A beef tax? An air travel tax? On the customers or the airline company, or both?

And what happens to the tax money? What will it be spent on? Will it be invested in something that benefits the fight against more pollution?

(I don't expect you to make up a new green policy for the UK, but I am curious about what the extent of and what usefulness you imagine there would be with such a tax).

Yeah if we really open the green tax door, it will take us to a very dark room. And yes, those "green" taxes will not fucking go to what they were intended. Because of the misuse 10 years from now the government will need to raise the taxes or tax something else to make their nut. There are Newtonian laws that are less certain than this. Its time for a Dexit Bjorn.

[heydaralon]

Phillidephia USA (not the real one near Newcastle, England) 10th most polluted city in the world.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/air-po ... ties-2018/

Unlike nearby Washington, it post-dates its namesake in the United States, being named during the American Revolutionary War by a local colliery owner to commemorate the British capture of the city. The village cricket field is named "Bunker Hill", after another famous battle in that war.

And what is the ppm rates?

Also, that from 2012...

https://www.phillymag.com/be-well-phill ... uted-city/

I would be very interested in seeing how it stacks up with China. The chinks lie about everything, and they dazzle worthless retards in the West with their solar farm scams, but the reality is that Chinese cities are filled to the skyline with filth and pollution and their environmentar reporting is a bit "racking" to say the reast.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Certainly the economies of scale can make cities more efficient per person in theory.

City folks tend to have much higher consumption rates than rural tho.

I don’t think that they do, actually.. at least not in terms of resources.

A crowded city diner vs a dozen small rural ones.

Apartment building housing 1,000 on one lot vs 500 homes with a yard, etc.

Cities absolutely have higher incomes that translate to consumption.

It translates to higher spending - which correlates with the higher prices in cities.

But how much more actual resources are a city dweller using? They share space, they share heating/cooling, take public transportation, they all work crammed together... In terms of natural resources, you couldn't design a better system to contain our impact as humans.

[The Conservative]

Phillidephia USA (not the real one near Newcastle, England) 10th most polluted city in the world.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/air-po ... ties-2018/

And what is the ppm rates?

Also, that from 2012...

https://www.phillymag.com/be-well-phill ... uted-city/

I would be very interested in seeing how it stacks up with China. The chinks lie about everything, and they dazzle worthless retards in the West with their solar farm scams, but the reality is that Chinese cities are filled to the skyline with filth and pollution and their environmentar reporting is a bit "racking" to say the reast.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... centration

US doesn’t even hit the top 500.

[C-Mag]

Cities, polluting the globe, claiming moral high ground

[nmoore63]

I don’t think that they do, actually.. at least not in terms of resources.

A crowded city diner vs a dozen small rural ones.

Apartment building housing 1,000 on one lot vs 500 homes with a yard, etc.

Cities absolutely have higher incomes that translate to consumption.

It translates to higher spending - which correlates with the higher prices in cities.

But how much more actual resources are a city dweller using? They share space, they share heating/cooling, take public transportation, they all work crammed together... In terms of natural resources, you couldn't design a better system to contain our impact as humans.

A lot more.

[heydaralon]

Cities, polluting the globe, claiming moral high ground

It is gross how liberals always want everyone to live in cities, and they want to use green concerns as an excuse. No! You have to suffer in bad traffic and live among scumbags and light pollution because its better for the environment! How dare you not wanting to live in a concrete cesspool with other prisoner drones. Cities suck. I know the one I live close to sucks major chode.

[Otern]

So tax food miles. The COOP supermarket near me wasn't selling local asparagus during the season it continued to sell it from Peru. That has to stop.

I agree, but this also gives us a new problem. As now, exotic food will have to be produced locally, and in many instances in a way less efficient manner than if it can travel far. It requires more electric energy, or will be a strain on the land. We still want ananas, even though it won't grow here naturally.

[Montegriffo]

So tax food miles. The COOP supermarket near me wasn't selling local asparagus during the season it continued to sell it from Peru. That has to stop.

I agree, but this also gives us a new problem. As now, exotic food will have to be produced locally, and in many instances in a way less efficient manner than if it can travel far. It requires more electric energy, or will be a strain on the land. We still want ananas, even though it won't grow here naturally.

Nuances are good too.
Bananas would be very difficult to grow here, as you say, asparagus on the other hand grows very well and has a season lasting up to two months.
In fact it is hard to imagine being able to grow bananas for less than the price of imported ones even with a food miles tax, especially when my carbon tax is added to the price of locally produced ones.

[C-Mag]

NYC produces 54 MILLION Metric tons of CO2 a year

http://www.carbonvisuals.com/projects/n ... -real-time