Europe, Boring Until it's Not

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:10 pm

PartyOf5 wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:14 am
Monty, we rarely share the same viewpoint, but no matter the poster I do appreciate when people post links to information that I was not aware of before. That said, using VOX as a source of information is an immediate red flag. The article (and your post as well) come across as a way to take yet another shot at Trump rather than inform people.

With that out of the way, I do wish you would address the part that stated Macron is enacting these fuel taxes as part of a plan to make the French economy more business friendly. Is there any proof of this other than VOX saying so? If it is true, how is raising fuel taxes pro-business?
The tax itself does not support business but the revenue from it does. Only 7 billion Euros from the total revenue of about 34 billion is going to be spent on environmental projects the rest is being used to support business.
If you don't want to hear it from Vox how about the Financial Times? Obviously, they support government tax revenue going to business friendly policies so they are not hiding it.
France has slashed its contentious wealth tax and introduced a flat rate on capital gains as president Emmanuel Macron used his first budget to unleash business-friendly policies aimed at attracting investors and revitalising the eurozone’s second-largest economy.

The French parliament on Tuesday adopted a package of measures for 2018 that included scrapping the wealth levy on everything except property assets — in effect cutting the tax by 70 per cent. A 30 per cent flat tax rate will also be introduced on capital gains, dividends and interests — a longstanding demand from investors and entrepreneurs.

The tax cuts, which fulfil promises made on the campaign trail, were seized on by Mr Macron’s political opponents as further evidence that he was the “president of the rich”.

Marine Le Pen, leader of the far-right National Front whom he defeated in a presidential runoff in May, said the tax cuts were designed to reward wealthy campaign donors. Thomas Piketty, the leftwing economist, said the measures were a “historical error” that would fuel economic inequality.
Please try to make the effort to spell my name correctly in future communications, thanks.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by DBTrek » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:21 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:10 pm
The tax itself does not support business but the revenue from it does.
How many movements of the goals posts does this make? Now the taxes aren't supporting big business . . . but they still get all the money . . . somehow! How do we know this? Take it away, Monte:
If you don't want to hear it from Vox how about the Financial Times? Obviously, they support government tax revenue going to business friendly policies so they are not hiding it.
France has slashed its contentious wealth tax and introduced a flat rate on capital gains as president Emmanuel Macron used his first budget to unleash business-friendly policies aimed at attracting investors and revitalising the eurozone’s second-largest economy.

The French parliament on Tuesday adopted a package of measures for 2018 that included scrapping the wealth levy on everything except property assets — in effect cutting the tax by 70 per cent. A 30 per cent flat tax rate will also be introduced on capital gains, dividends and interests — a longstanding demand from investors and entrepreneurs.

The tax cuts, which fulfil promises made on the campaign trail, were seized on by Mr Macron’s political opponents as further evidence that he was the “president of the rich”.

Marine Le Pen, leader of the far-right National Front whom he defeated in a presidential runoff in May, said the tax cuts were designed to reward wealthy campaign donors. Thomas Piketty, the leftwing economist, said the measures were a “historical error” that would fuel economic inequality.
... because Marcon's political opponents, the chick he defeated in a presidential runoff, and a leftwing economist SAY SO!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-herpa-derp-derp-derp-derp-derp-derp-derp-derp-derp-derp!

Does the guy have an ex-wife we could interview for some additional unbiased fact checking? Jeez.
Can always count on you for some unintentional comedy, Monte.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by PartyOf5 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:26 pm

Monte, your quote does not mention the fuel tax at all. There is also no link provided with the quote or to back up your claim of 7 billion out of 34 billion in revenue being spent on environmental projects.

I asked for evidence that the fuel tax is going to support businesses and you give me quotes about other taxes that are being altered. Looks like a bait and switch to me.

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by BjornP » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:36 pm

https://www.france24.com/en/20180127-fr ... ly-pay-off
Macron has "completely changed" France's image, telecoms billionaire and Station F-backer Xavier Niel said Wednesday, crediting the youthful, pro-business politician with attracting an influx of tech talent.

Since his election in May 2017, the former investment banker has already pushed through labour law reforms that make it easier for businesses to fire workers. He has also sharply cut wealth and capital gains taxes. He is capitalising on high confidence in Europe and uncertainty over Brexit to lure companies to France.

A survey by the US Chamber of Commerce and consultancy Bain & Company in November found a record 72 percent of US investors were optimistic about the French economy, up from just 30 percent in 2016.

Macron is “perceived as a pro-business president”, said the Bain report. American investors see this political change as a sign of a major transformation in France, the start of "a French New Deal".
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:44 pm

DBTrek wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:21 pm
Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:10 pm
The tax itself does not support business but the revenue from it does.
How many movements of the goals posts does this make? Now the taxes aren't supporting big business . . . but they still get all the money . . . somehow!
Using tax revenue to directly support Macron's business-friendly policies is a clear benefit even if higher fuel prices are not.

If Martin imposed a cost per post to everyone on the MHF and gave all the revenue to you is that a net benefit to you or not?
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:45 pm

To your globalist masters you are just a product and a consumer. It's really sad to see people like Monty falling prey to this manipulation and propaganda, but encouraging to see everybody uniting in France against neoliberalism (globalism), even if the lefties can't help but burn shit down (they really need to work on that, but they are welcome to fight the globalist/merchant class cancer).

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:46 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:44 pm
DBTrek wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:21 pm
Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:10 pm
The tax itself does not support business but the revenue from it does.
How many movements of the goals posts does this make? Now the taxes aren't supporting big business . . . but they still get all the money . . . somehow!
Using tax revenue to directly support Macron's business-friendly policies is a clear benefit even if higher fuel prices are not.

If Martin imposed a cost per post to everyone on the MHF and gave all the revenue to you is that a net benefit to you or not?
Maybe he should tax the businesses for shit that benefits business.

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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:48 pm

PartyOf5 wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:26 pm
Monte, your quote does not mention the fuel tax at all. There is also no link provided with the quote or to back up your claim of 7 billion out of 34 billion in revenue being spent on environmental projects.

The link has already been provided to back up that claim.
Here it is again...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46439469

Thanks for spelling my name correctly BTW.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:50 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:46 pm


Maybe he should tax the businesses for shit that benefits business.
I agree, however his policy is to reduce taxes for businesses and the wealthy and raise taxes for the less well off.
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Re: Europe, Boring Until it's Not

Post by PartyOf5 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:59 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:48 pm
PartyOf5 wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:26 pm
Monte, your quote does not mention the fuel tax at all. There is also no link provided with the quote or to back up your claim of 7 billion out of 34 billion in revenue being spent on environmental projects.

The link has already been provided to back up that claim.
Here it is again...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46439469

Thanks for spelling my name correctly BTW.
Still no evidence of fuel tax revenue going to help business.