Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

[heydaralon]

Solved, no, but sublimated into productivity through ethical activitiies like competition, yes.

That is quite an assumption.

More of an observation

Observation fallacy.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I’m unaware of vegans doing this, but as I said, that’s exactky what grass fed beef proponents do.

As I read it, this is your entire argument for technology saving us from the moral failure of meat consumption. Industrial Veganism right thur.

I don’t use organic farm statistics, I am not pretending everything would be small organic farms without meat. I am an industrial, or technological vegan, I don’t pretend industrial agriculture wouldn’t make sense in a vegan future. The fact is there would be less far industrial agriculture required without the farm animals needing to be fed, including the grass fed beef that requires hay in the winter.

You say 'the fact is,' but I am not convinced that industrial scale agriculture for human consumption is better for the environment. Especially since you are trotting out pro athletes as an argument in favor of how healthy veganism can be. I have seen some of their diets. They have to eat vegetable matter constantly to keep their muscle mass up. If all humans currently living wanted to thrive on that diet...

This still doesn't address the fact that industrial agriculture uses fertilizers that have animal matter. The technology that allows civilized people to be vegan is, largely, just chicken shit. A vegan world is still going to have Foster Farms.

The point is that waste and environmental destruction seem to be industrialization problems, and they don't go away, and may be exacerbated, by veganism.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Solved, no, but sublimated into productivity through ethical activitiies like competition, yes.

That is quite an assumption.

More of an observation

Well, then you have seen some shit that has been hidden from me.
/shrug

[C-Mag]

It’s not as real as it gets though, it’s farcical to compare that to what our ancestors did, the hunter of today can’t even survive in this wilderness yet he drives there from his modern house and uses Chinese factory made equipment to make sure everything goes smooth and he can come home for the weekend to watch the game on satellite tv. There is no real consequence if he fails, but for the animal in nature everything is of. consequence. The modern hunter is like a well fed house cat that goes and messes with wild animals and then returns to his nice modern home and thinks hes a wildcat.

It's not a fallacy just because you have no experience with it and believe hollywoods version of hunting. Thousands are injured, some killed every year from predatory sports, people drown, die in falls, die from exposure or get injured by animals.

Hunting traditions are passed down, from father to son(daughters too). Taking you first animal is a right of passage for a young man, trophies hang on walls like cave paintings, stories are told around a fire of the hunt, the meat is used to sustain the family throughout the year. A good hunter can provide for his family, a poor hunter does not. Many use primitive weapons to take game.

What is more a fallacy, a man who experiences those traditional skills or the person that never experiences it, laughs off others getting in touch with the hunting because of their own personal shame and inadequacy.

[C-Mag]

This still doesn't address the fact that industrial agriculture uses fertilizers that have animal matter. The technology that allows civilized people to be vegan is, largely, just chicken shit. A vegan world is still going to have Foster Farms.

Right On!

People should work to get in better touch with their food and food sources; I don't care if they are Vegan, Carnivore or Omnivore.

Few even attempt to grow their own food. That's why I hold the Rubber Anus Farm in such high regard. He's actually growing his own food. Everyone has excuses, I don't have space or time top the list. But anyone can grown Romaine Lettuce in a window sill of a studio apartment at the cost of pennies and a couple minutes a day. Hey, and it's better than getting your e coli Romaine because the GOP and Dems demand illegals are allowed to crap in the fields that grow your food.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

It's not, though.

What people call conservative is just another kind of liberal, really. Their focus is on liberalization of economic morals rather than social and personal morals.

You just tried to equate being interested in exploring other cultures is some liberal trait when clearly it is not. What actually is a liberal trait is to want to escape your identity.

Look, I don't give a shit what you call them. We have an impulse towards protection, and an impulse towards curiosity, that are both adaptive, and mutually exclusive.

I get the impression that you are arguing that we need more protection; we aren't going to get anywhere interesting if we wander off into the weeds arguing what true 'conservatism' or 'liberalism' is.

Oh, come on. Are you really denying liberals are trying to lose their identities? Liberal women want to abandon feminine traits. Liberal men hate their masculinity. Gays abandoning healthy human sexuality. Yoga chicks abandoning western values and culture for Hinduism and Buddhism. You are all trying to destroy us with open borders and anti-white policies.

Give it a rest, dude. Liberals don't just like exploring other cultures. They try to adopt other cultures and destroy their own.

You guys have an entire film industry following this theme from Dances with Wolves to the Last Samurai.

Just yesterday we saw it here in this forum with GCF.

I am saying that for some people, identity just isn't that big of a deal.

In fact, if you ask me, the SJW attempts to eliminate 'cultural appropriation' are an expression of conservatism.

You conservatives and your identity politics... ruining America, you are.

[Speaker to Animals]

Look, I don't give a shit what you call them. We have an impulse towards protection, and an impulse towards curiosity, that are both adaptive, and mutually exclusive.

I get the impression that you are arguing that we need more protection; we aren't going to get anywhere interesting if we wander off into the weeds arguing what true 'conservatism' or 'liberalism' is.

Oh, come on. Are you really denying liberals are trying to lose their identities? Liberal women want to abandon feminine traits. Liberal men hate their masculinity. Gays abandoning healthy human sexuality. Yoga chicks abandoning western values and culture for Hinduism and Buddhism. You are all trying to destroy us with open borders and anti-white policies.

Give it a rest, dude. Liberals don't just like exploring other cultures. They try to adopt other cultures and destroy their own.

You guys have an entire film industry following this theme from Dances with Wolves to the Last Samurai.

Just yesterday we saw it here in this forum with GCF.

I am saying that for some people, identity just isn't that big of a deal.

In fact, if you ask me, the SJW attempts to eliminate 'cultural appropriation' are an expression of conservatism.

You conservatives and your identity politics... ruining America, you are.

I completely disagree. I think identity is fundamental to being human. What is not a big deal to you likely is your white identity or your identity as an American or even the identity as a westerner. Somewhere in there your identity is fucked. The reason liberals are adopting other cultures and customs is because they care so much about identity that they want to destroy our own.

[Speaker to Animals]

More global warming data is debunked.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Oh, come on. Are you really denying liberals are trying to lose their identities? Liberal women want to abandon feminine traits. Liberal men hate their masculinity. Gays abandoning healthy human sexuality. Yoga chicks abandoning western values and culture for Hinduism and Buddhism. You are all trying to destroy us with open borders and anti-white policies.

Give it a rest, dude. Liberals don't just like exploring other cultures. They try to adopt other cultures and destroy their own.

You guys have an entire film industry following this theme from Dances with Wolves to the Last Samurai.

Just yesterday we saw it here in this forum with GCF.

I am saying that for some people, identity just isn't that big of a deal.

In fact, if you ask me, the SJW attempts to eliminate 'cultural appropriation' are an expression of conservatism.

You conservatives and your identity politics... ruining America, you are.

I completely disagree. I think identity is fundamental to being human. What is not a big deal to you likely is your white identity or your identity as an American or even the identity as a westerner. Somewhere in there your identity is fucked. The reason liberals are adopting other cultures and customs is because they care so much about identity that they want to destroy our own.

You would think that, being obsessed with identity, and all.

[Speaker to Animals]

I am saying that for some people, identity just isn't that big of a deal.

In fact, if you ask me, the SJW attempts to eliminate 'cultural appropriation' are an expression of conservatism.

You conservatives and your identity politics... ruining America, you are.

I completely disagree. I think identity is fundamental to being human. What is not a big deal to you likely is your white identity or your identity as an American or even the identity as a westerner. Somewhere in there your identity is fucked. The reason liberals are adopting other cultures and customs is because they care so much about identity that they want to destroy our own.

You would think that, being obsessed with identity, and all.

It's not an obsession. The obsession is more with understanding human nature. It's the left that is absolutely obsessed with identity. Trying to lose your identity is also a kind of obsession. Denying you have one or it really matters to you belies some deep issues. You are still human. You are doing to your identity what JD does to his physiology.

The anti-identity people are perhaps the most bizarre specimens in our society. The others might be more cancerous to our society, but this one I find interesting. You could be lined up and marched into a death camp, still grumbling how you don't see race.