Where's an Environmentalist when you need one

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

It's not really about that. It's just genetic behavior. Religiosity is an evolutionary behavior in our species. I think, personally, it stems from group selection. I think the bias towards moral thinking stems from group selection, honestly. That doesn't mean the subjects of our morals and religions are necessarily invalid or a mirage, but that our capacity to understand them evolved because, true or false, those things offered survival and reproductive advantages to the group.

Nicholas Wade argues in three books that religion evolved as a kind of test to determine in-group and out-group status. I think that was part of it, but I think our bias towards moral thinking is group selection itself, probably originating with early homo sapiens distaste for out-group culture and practices. For group selection to work, you need some mechanism to divide the clean from the unclean, so to speak, and the evolutionary behavior that did that was a dislike of foreign culture, language, customs, etc. The guttural reaction you feel to grossly immoral behavior is the modern remnant of the guttural reaction a primitive human felt in the company of foreign tribal customs and languages. To expand group selection beyond the tribe, that adaptation needs to become more sophisticated, which is where religiosity comes in.

I think we might have read some of the same shit.

What you always leave out is the benefit of liberal thinking.

Basically, when you are not concerned with protecting the tribe from infection, you can be curious, and strike out into the unknown. It is dangerous, sure, but the most adventures explorers were not concerned with the dangers of the unknown, they were confident that they could overcome any negative, beta-bullshit that came their way.

I would not call curiosity about other cultures "liberal". Liberals generally hate their in-group. It's an important distinction. They want to join other tribes and destroy their own. Problem is, most of us evolved beyond tribes and operate at a racial/civilizational level of in-group. But you cannot join other civilizations. You cannot become Chinese. You cannot become a black African. Sorry.

You just don't want to call anything remotely positive 'liberal.'

Fine by me. Use whatever terms you like, this isn't about 'joining' another society, unless you actually bought into identity politics (which I don't believe you have).

You have the impulse for purity (which is very valuable), versus the impulse for novelty (which is, also, very valuable).

If it makes you feel any better, Christ is the perfect example of someone who combines both impulses in a positive way.

If only we could all follow His example, right?

[Speaker to Animals]

You just don't want to call anything remotely positive 'liberal.'

No, I do not, because lots of people are interested in other cultures. It's not some hallmark of liberalism to want to learn about the world and understand other cultures.

What actually is a hallmark of liberalism is to disparage your own culture, race, and civilization. To want to topple it in the hopes that you can refashion it in some other way.

Liberals are the kinds of people who think every other culture has the right answers. They embrace foreign religions, customs, practices not as interests but as a rejection of their own people. It's an important difference.

For instance, a liberal might want to learn martial arts (I know, a stretch, but stick with me for a moment) and choose some foreign martial arts because they consider everything European to be evil. So boxing is out. Traditional wrestling is out. Maybe they will learn capoeira or kung fu. Then they adopt cultural practices of these foreign people as their own rather than something they like to learn about. On the other hand, a Brazilian copeira fighter might be interested in learning American boxing to complement his own practice. Yet he isn't necessarily going to become an American, culturally because of this.

You see this most readily when white liberal women take up yoga. They don't just go learn yoga because it interests them and they want to get flexible. They adopt a foreign religion. Foreign practices. Even foreign dietary restrictions. They start putting foreign tats on their bodies and everything.

Even straight-up Marxists in Latin America don't abandon their own culture and ethnicity. This is something unique to our own people. To me, liberals and Marxists are two different things, though liberalism is what leads to Marxism in white nations. This is why our form of Marxism becomes this kind of self-hatred and desire to exterminate our own race and culture.

Liberalism is a kind of genetic dead end as far as I can tell. There exists in the Caucasian gene pool the genetic adaptations to abandon group selection. This genetic mutation gets a strong selection bias in urban environments. After enough generations of urbanites pass, it sweeps the urban environment and you get this rise in degeneracy and need to destroy the civilization somehow. This goes way, way back. You see it Rome. You see it in Athens. You even see it in ancient accounts of the Bronze age.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Always with the identity politics, there is no white magic or black magic there is only magic, we are all Gaia's children.

Don't even start with that shit, unless you want me to go full blown Trumptard.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... ty/574393/

Looks like there could be a serious risk of a drum circle forming, best avoided at all costs.

You are making me more racist with every post, and, consequently, more likely to eat factory farmed chickens. I hope you and John Oliver are happy, you created a racist.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

You just don't want to call anything remotely positive 'liberal.'

What actually is a hallmark of liberalism is to disparage your own culture, race, and civilization. To want to topple it in the hopes that you can refashion it in some other way.

There you go.

I could say that the 'hallmark of conservatism is liquidating everything and everyone that is a little different to protect the tribe."

But that would be shitty, and untrue.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I'm sorry StA, but martial arts are the Paragon of pro-diversity arguments.

Every time a culture gets up their own ass about their superiority, they get schooled.

[Speaker to Animals]

You just don't want to call anything remotely positive 'liberal.'

What actually is a hallmark of liberalism is to disparage your own culture, race, and civilization. To want to topple it in the hopes that you can refashion it in some other way.

There you go.

I could say that the 'hallmark of conservatism is liquidating everything and everyone that is a little different to protect the tribe."

But that would be shitty, and untrue.

It's not, though.

What people call conservative is just another kind of liberal, really. Their focus is on liberalization of economic morals rather than social and personal morals.

You just tried to equate being interested in exploring other cultures is some liberal trait when clearly it is not. What actually is a liberal trait is to want to escape your identity. You seriously are not going to deny that, are you?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

What actually is a hallmark of liberalism is to disparage your own culture, race, and civilization. To want to topple it in the hopes that you can refashion it in some other way.

There you go.

I could say that the 'hallmark of conservatism is liquidating everything and everyone that is a little different to protect the tribe."

But that would be shitty, and untrue.

It's not, though.

What people call conservative is just another kind of liberal, really. Their focus is on liberalization of economic morals rather than social and personal morals.

You just tried to equate being interested in exploring other cultures is some liberal trait when clearly it is not. What actually is a liberal trait is to want to escape your identity.

Look, I don't give a shit what you call them. We have an impulse towards protection, and an impulse towards curiosity, that are both adaptive, and mutually exclusive.

I get the impression that you are arguing that we need more protection; we aren't going to get anywhere interesting if we wander off into the weeds arguing what true 'conservatism' or 'liberalism' is.

[Fife]

You guys sure do love to blah blah blah.

Work *with* the animals, I say.

[Fife]

[heydaralon]

Again, Johndonne will likely go back to meat. 84% of Vegans do. That makes his entire view ring hollow. He has murdered and he will do so again. Next time a vegan lectures you, bring up this statistic.


What people believe is interesting. How they act is telling.

Vegans are hypocrites, murderers, and rapists if they drink milk or use dairy products. End of discussion.